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@Nilsi No, you're exact claim is that postmodernism was running the show starting from 100 years ago, and that you're mistaking post modernism for modernism, capitalism and conservatives running the show for the last 100 years. You also over look that Neoliberals are now running the show for the last 50 years and they and corporates have a more profound impact on society than post modernists. Also, you haven't provided that much evidence and examples to even illustrate your position. All you've done is weasel, dodge and deflect, red herring here and there.

@royce Another Israel/Palestine thread? This is approaching low quality posting and duplicate threads. Please engage in the already existing threads about this issue. @Nivsch and @Vrubel behave yourselves. @Leo Gura, @Thought Art, @Carl-Richard, @Infinite, @NoSelfSelf are watching you guys for low quality posts and instigating heated exchanges. Keep your violent event denial, right wing and conspiracy thinking tendencies to yourselves please.

@Nemra No, I'm pointing out your performative contradiction here. You claimed religious folks don't care, yet they care a lot about the religion they follow, for places of worships to holy scriptures and books, to sermons, yet most atheists copy what religious folks do and app their behaviors and ways of life. Also atheists and atheism itself mostly borrows it's moral foundations from religion, science and other fields, and has the gale to accuse religious folks for not caring when they don't care about their own lives or their own reality causing more negative states and depression even in most atheist followers?

@Nilsi You claim that post modernism is the state of the world for 100 years. Do you have proof that Post modernism ruled the world 100 years? How does the statement of post modernism being merely 'aesthetic and philosophical movements' have anything to do with you claiming that it's like me stating that 'classicism is merely an aesthetic and philosophical movement starting in the renaissance.'? Why did you red herring and straw man in this way? Also Trump isn't a post modernist, he's a con artist, scammer, fraudster, swindler, grifter, and hustler, lying to everyone including the conservatives to gain more power.

Dully noted.

@hoodrow trillson I do feel similarly that it was a decent yet biased interview, a little bit of trying to get a gotcha moment on Elon, but Don Lemon really should've nailed him on some points there. He had a good opportunity when Elon brought up legality, and Don bringing up those hate tropes and racist tweets, pinned him on the issue of time and how long tweets were there from when a user reported the post, to the process of moderation team reviewing the post, to deliberating, and finally the decision to take down the tweet or not, and grill him on why it took too long. He really should've nailed him on that CP examples of tweets, plus drug sourcing or suicidal types of tweets, as Elon Musk's bigger portion of viewers are right wing and conservative and this'll actually pressure Elon into a corner. Instead he hesitated and didn't pursue that more. This guy is just flat out wrong, appeals to logic, and cherry picking sequences that made Don look bad. Also appealing to logic yet shoe horning his biases and anti left wing views with the appearance of being logical and analytical. To know and spot these fallacies compare it with another video that is mostly opposite biased and opposite ideology: Each perspective and bias in these two videos, with their confirmation biases, cognitive dissonance, fallacies and appeals, and other developmental factors involved shows that the first video is clearly siding with Elon Musk while pretending to be an authority due to the logic and analysis bias. Even I as a body language analyst, also of tonality, verbal, discourse, and state analysis am careful when my own biases and ideology creeps in. These guys are mostly either unaware or know and being bad faith in their distortion of what is the truth.

@Nilsi Here's what post modernism is: So according you this postmodernism has taken over the west for 100s of years? And is presumably ruining modernity? And you scared of this arbitrary thing? The central myth of Modernity of western Enlightenment, liberation of mankind through scientific discovery, has been declining?

@Nilsi Postmodernism is the future. It's in the word mate, post. Post, as in one step forward. Just like Ken Wilbur's pre rational, rational, and post-rational stages. Post.

Now IMO I don't like either, I do hate one more than the over, and this guy did a good job breaking down their logic and arguing in simpler terms: He's a good Christian.

I don't like Ben Shapiro and I can get petty, but he definitely was challenging Alex O'Connor, fake AF philosopher grifter. Like this guy was arguing t destroy the monarchy, yet overlooks the hyper inflation it'll cause if you destroy and liquidate all that juicy wealth and riches from the royalty. Oh, and he also doesn't mind all of Ireland getting conquered by GB because he hates religion that much, good job cornball:

@Schizophonia Fine. I choose Onission.

@Schizophonia No.

@aurum If I had to guess, I think he's talking about cryptocurrency maybe, and how post modern perspectival madness it is to think digits, NFTs, and bit coin is the future utopia of a free peoples.

@Nemra So how does claiming it's a belief of a different kind support your assertion here: If true that religious people don't care about proof, suck up what they have been told of reality and don't care care about evidence more than atheists, why do churches, monasteries, synagogues, temples, contain holy books, holy scriptures, Sanskrit for the Hinduisms and Buddhists to read? Why do Muslims have proof and evidence recorded in the Quran and care about it? Why do Christians have the Holy Bible, the gospels and churches for mass worship and care about these practices? Why do the Jews and Kabbalists also use the Torah and care about the passages? Is this not contradictory to your original assertion that religious folks don't care at all about proof? Also, why is there a huge lack in evidence, in scripture, in gospels of atheism? Where is the atheist's scriptures, temples and bibles about a non-god and no afterlife? Where is their place of worship of a non god and nothing after you die? It's almost as if atheists don't care even about their atheism and just suck up whatever nonsense atheists tell them...and sometimes in life and death situations atheists pray to something, as if they believe in something...🤔

@Nemra No, the main issue is that atheists claim there's no god, no divinity, yet that claim is largely not backed up by proof, or facts to corroborate such claims of a metaphysical reality minus god. Saying, writing, thinking there's no god is still a belief in a lack of god and that there's no god, which is still a belief. Just because there's a lack of god /=/ no god. Lack of evidence /=/ evidence of lack, it's instead lack of evidence = lack of evidence. Also, it's a categorical error to assume that atheism is a religion, when it's just an ideology that assumes too much of reality with very little to no evidence. And if atheists are so open minded and honest, where are the open minded and honest atheists when they're around other religious followers? Most atheists are close minded and dogmatic against other religious ideas and even political ideas.

Good example of a person with critical thinking and logic bias: While true that in argumentation logical framing is important, and minimizing performative contradictions and contrary beliefs within arguments is important, that isn't necessarily going to translate and convert over into the real world and in reality where it's a multiplex of moving parts and paradox and circularity. This is what ignorance of fallacies and appeals, and ignorance of one's biased worldviews leads to, that this man, the arguer/debater, assumes logic, arguing and debating can stand alone, that there's object permanence, that objectivity and science isn't biased. Yet those are deeply flawed assumptions onto reality, and ignorance of experiences and knowledge about Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, developmental psychology and personality traits, 9 stages of ego development, Architypes and shadow aspects, ideology and dogma, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by the metanarrative, metaprogramming, cultural/societal programming, information ecology, narrative warfare, information warfare, propaganda and misinformation, and ignorance of hidden assumptions, leads into falsely believing that logic is incorruptible, 'stands alone', that rationality and objectivity are supreme, which leads into appeals to reasoning and logic which is itself an appeal and fallacy! Be careful of critical thinking and blind belief in logic!

@Nemra The main issues are your presuppositions here that if atheism is a religion, then it's way more honest and open minded than others. If put in standard form: Atheism is a religion. Religion is more open minded and honest than 'others'(undefined term to other ideologies) Therefore, Atheism is more open minded and honest. Several problems with the premises and conclusion, first is assuming each premise is valid and strong. It's not because when both religion and atheism are defined, there are clear differences in practices and followers, and almost opposite beliefs in a god, one beliefs in god's existence, the other believes in a non-god existence. Another problem is the undefined qualifiers of honest and open minded to religion, and even to atheism. What does it mean for an atheist or theist to be honest and open minded, and what if you encounter a scammer, con artist, hustler, swindler, grifter, fraudster who pretends to be atheist or theist and lies? The next problem is your question: So what if they don't talk in spiritual language? Again, you project a premise in there that's not previously present in argument that both atheists or theists have, this 'spiritual language' you're asserting here. Then this leads into the biggest assumption you've made: claiming atheists are correct in their position when they say god doesn't exist. We then move into the next area of problems your post leads into: ethical and moral frameworks for a societal custom and practice. Who get's to decide the standards of livelihood? How do we know which morality and belief system we live by? This is covered pretty well in this videos below:

@sholomar This is why arguably speaking a mixed economy, or a hybrid system of some right wing and some left wing ideas is needed, especially when nature doesn't care if conservativism or liberalism survives. We all are in this giant titanic ship, we all must learn to interact and survive together, somehow coexist moving forwards.

@Bobby_2021 True, and making the bold claim that all of traditionalism and conservativism is equal to human brutal nature is a gross false conflation, especially when we look at modern day conservatives to majority of human history with older social customs and practices. The suspicious emphasis on just conservatives as brutal humans, but no mention of Liberals who are more sexually liberated and open to say polyamorous relations or OnlyFans or other kinds of porn, is a good example.

@zazen In most cases, atheists when talking about religion refer to the straw man versions like it's a cult ideology, fundamentalist religious nut cases, dogmatic bible thumpers. Most will go into those straw man fields first, and some to a few atheists will honestly go into the traditional and social cultural customs or practices as it's referred to properly. I only have a specific gripe with Alex O'Connor's philosophizing of religion. If true that we can skip over religion, one implication is the total conquest of Ireland because in history the majority of conflict between the 2 cultures were religious, what allowed this divide between south and north Ireland in the first place. Without the Protestantism and Catholicism religious denomination, most of Ireland would be assimilated into GB.

@Razard86 Sure, atheism is the same as religious dogma in structure, similar and different in content. Atheism is a belief in the non-belief of a god, and in the non-existence of an after life or multiple after lives.

@Leo Gura That's mainly imperialism, colonialism, civilization, oligarchy, orthodoxy, theocracy, different types of nationalism. These are far older compared to conservativism, so rape, torture, slavery, are more prevalent in them in terms of volume and intensity, not as much as in conservativism in the modern day. Doesn't mean no conservatives are evil or some are committing criminal acts, but relative to most of human history modern day conservatives are more tamer The next problem in @Razard86 assertion: That last sentence is true but is funny as hell. True conservative human tradition is rape, murder, genocide, and slavery. Human nature truly is a brutal thing. Is conflation with brutal human nature to only conservativism, but not to liberalism, or not to other totalitarian and authoritarian groups claiming they're so liberal and communist. That conflation has to be unpacked and made clear why he made such an ad hominem between conservativism only to brutal human nature, but not with groups masquerading as left wing.

A great example of hidden assumptions, bias and ignorance in plain sight: NO! Mathematics and even logic are not discovered, they're mostly HUMAN INVENTIONS! You don't slugs or even monkeys make symbols, logic, or mathematical symbols. Mathematics is not found in nature AT ALL! It's all projected and generated by the HUMAN MIND! Please guys, self actualized users here, do not fall into the trap of scientific, S.T.E.M dogma! It's all mostly human created to start with. It's tiring to deal with some intellectuals high on their appeals and fallacies to logic and objectivity yet are so ignorant of and lack self awareness that it's all fundamentally subjective and grounded in consensus reality! For god's sake, at least make the distinction between Mathematics and science, yet this professor has sloppy abstract thinking and overlaps Mathematics to science and scientific theories, and somewhat to technology, engineering, naturalism, physics, biology...😆🤣

@Razard86 How does rape, murder, genocide, and slavery make up the definition of conservativism and traditionalism? Why do you assume those features are part of conservativism? Why make a false conflation between the human condition being brutal and conservative/traditional values?

@Nilsi What is intrinsically excessive about capitalism? Unlimited growth and unquenchable desire? Why would you claim there could be healthy markets and economy, but no healthy capitalism?