Danioover9000

I don't like Ben Shapiro and I can get petty, but he definitely was challenging Alex O'Connor, fake AF philosopher grifter. Like this guy was arguing t destroy the monarchy, yet overlooks the hyper inflation it'll cause if you destroy and liquidate all that juicy wealth and riches from the royalty. Oh, and he also doesn't mind all of Ireland getting conquered by GB because he hates religion that much, good job cornball:

@Schizophonia Fine. I choose Onission.

@Schizophonia No.

@aurum If I had to guess, I think he's talking about cryptocurrency maybe, and how post modern perspectival madness it is to think digits, NFTs, and bit coin is the future utopia of a free peoples.

@Nemra So how does claiming it's a belief of a different kind support your assertion here: If true that religious people don't care about proof, suck up what they have been told of reality and don't care care about evidence more than atheists, why do churches, monasteries, synagogues, temples, contain holy books, holy scriptures, Sanskrit for the Hinduisms and Buddhists to read? Why do Muslims have proof and evidence recorded in the Quran and care about it? Why do Christians have the Holy Bible, the gospels and churches for mass worship and care about these practices? Why do the Jews and Kabbalists also use the Torah and care about the passages? Is this not contradictory to your original assertion that religious folks don't care at all about proof? Also, why is there a huge lack in evidence, in scripture, in gospels of atheism? Where is the atheist's scriptures, temples and bibles about a non-god and no afterlife? Where is their place of worship of a non god and nothing after you die? It's almost as if atheists don't care even about their atheism and just suck up whatever nonsense atheists tell them...and sometimes in life and death situations atheists pray to something, as if they believe in something...🤔

@Nemra No, the main issue is that atheists claim there's no god, no divinity, yet that claim is largely not backed up by proof, or facts to corroborate such claims of a metaphysical reality minus god. Saying, writing, thinking there's no god is still a belief in a lack of god and that there's no god, which is still a belief. Just because there's a lack of god /=/ no god. Lack of evidence /=/ evidence of lack, it's instead lack of evidence = lack of evidence. Also, it's a categorical error to assume that atheism is a religion, when it's just an ideology that assumes too much of reality with very little to no evidence. And if atheists are so open minded and honest, where are the open minded and honest atheists when they're around other religious followers? Most atheists are close minded and dogmatic against other religious ideas and even political ideas.

Good example of a person with critical thinking and logic bias: While true that in argumentation logical framing is important, and minimizing performative contradictions and contrary beliefs within arguments is important, that isn't necessarily going to translate and convert over into the real world and in reality where it's a multiplex of moving parts and paradox and circularity. This is what ignorance of fallacies and appeals, and ignorance of one's biased worldviews leads to, that this man, the arguer/debater, assumes logic, arguing and debating can stand alone, that there's object permanence, that objectivity and science isn't biased. Yet those are deeply flawed assumptions onto reality, and ignorance of experiences and knowledge about Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, developmental psychology and personality traits, 9 stages of ego development, Architypes and shadow aspects, ideology and dogma, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by the metanarrative, metaprogramming, cultural/societal programming, information ecology, narrative warfare, information warfare, propaganda and misinformation, and ignorance of hidden assumptions, leads into falsely believing that logic is incorruptible, 'stands alone', that rationality and objectivity are supreme, which leads into appeals to reasoning and logic which is itself an appeal and fallacy! Be careful of critical thinking and blind belief in logic!

@Nemra The main issues are your presuppositions here that if atheism is a religion, then it's way more honest and open minded than others. If put in standard form: Atheism is a religion. Religion is more open minded and honest than 'others'(undefined term to other ideologies) Therefore, Atheism is more open minded and honest. Several problems with the premises and conclusion, first is assuming each premise is valid and strong. It's not because when both religion and atheism are defined, there are clear differences in practices and followers, and almost opposite beliefs in a god, one beliefs in god's existence, the other believes in a non-god existence. Another problem is the undefined qualifiers of honest and open minded to religion, and even to atheism. What does it mean for an atheist or theist to be honest and open minded, and what if you encounter a scammer, con artist, hustler, swindler, grifter, fraudster who pretends to be atheist or theist and lies? The next problem is your question: So what if they don't talk in spiritual language? Again, you project a premise in there that's not previously present in argument that both atheists or theists have, this 'spiritual language' you're asserting here. Then this leads into the biggest assumption you've made: claiming atheists are correct in their position when they say god doesn't exist. We then move into the next area of problems your post leads into: ethical and moral frameworks for a societal custom and practice. Who get's to decide the standards of livelihood? How do we know which morality and belief system we live by? This is covered pretty well in this videos below:

@sholomar This is why arguably speaking a mixed economy, or a hybrid system of some right wing and some left wing ideas is needed, especially when nature doesn't care if conservativism or liberalism survives. We all are in this giant titanic ship, we all must learn to interact and survive together, somehow coexist moving forwards.

@Bobby_2021 True, and making the bold claim that all of traditionalism and conservativism is equal to human brutal nature is a gross false conflation, especially when we look at modern day conservatives to majority of human history with older social customs and practices. The suspicious emphasis on just conservatives as brutal humans, but no mention of Liberals who are more sexually liberated and open to say polyamorous relations or OnlyFans or other kinds of porn, is a good example.

@zazen In most cases, atheists when talking about religion refer to the straw man versions like it's a cult ideology, fundamentalist religious nut cases, dogmatic bible thumpers. Most will go into those straw man fields first, and some to a few atheists will honestly go into the traditional and social cultural customs or practices as it's referred to properly. I only have a specific gripe with Alex O'Connor's philosophizing of religion. If true that we can skip over religion, one implication is the total conquest of Ireland because in history the majority of conflict between the 2 cultures were religious, what allowed this divide between south and north Ireland in the first place. Without the Protestantism and Catholicism religious denomination, most of Ireland would be assimilated into GB.

@Razard86 Sure, atheism is the same as religious dogma in structure, similar and different in content. Atheism is a belief in the non-belief of a god, and in the non-existence of an after life or multiple after lives.

@Leo Gura That's mainly imperialism, colonialism, civilization, oligarchy, orthodoxy, theocracy, different types of nationalism. These are far older compared to conservativism, so rape, torture, slavery, are more prevalent in them in terms of volume and intensity, not as much as in conservativism in the modern day. Doesn't mean no conservatives are evil or some are committing criminal acts, but relative to most of human history modern day conservatives are more tamer The next problem in @Razard86 assertion: That last sentence is true but is funny as hell. True conservative human tradition is rape, murder, genocide, and slavery. Human nature truly is a brutal thing. Is conflation with brutal human nature to only conservativism, but not to liberalism, or not to other totalitarian and authoritarian groups claiming they're so liberal and communist. That conflation has to be unpacked and made clear why he made such an ad hominem between conservativism only to brutal human nature, but not with groups masquerading as left wing.

A great example of hidden assumptions, bias and ignorance in plain sight: NO! Mathematics and even logic are not discovered, they're mostly HUMAN INVENTIONS! You don't slugs or even monkeys make symbols, logic, or mathematical symbols. Mathematics is not found in nature AT ALL! It's all projected and generated by the HUMAN MIND! Please guys, self actualized users here, do not fall into the trap of scientific, S.T.E.M dogma! It's all mostly human created to start with. It's tiring to deal with some intellectuals high on their appeals and fallacies to logic and objectivity yet are so ignorant of and lack self awareness that it's all fundamentally subjective and grounded in consensus reality! For god's sake, at least make the distinction between Mathematics and science, yet this professor has sloppy abstract thinking and overlaps Mathematics to science and scientific theories, and somewhat to technology, engineering, naturalism, physics, biology...😆🤣

@Razard86 How does rape, murder, genocide, and slavery make up the definition of conservativism and traditionalism? Why do you assume those features are part of conservativism? Why make a false conflation between the human condition being brutal and conservative/traditional values?

@Nilsi What is intrinsically excessive about capitalism? Unlimited growth and unquenchable desire? Why would you claim there could be healthy markets and economy, but no healthy capitalism?

@Thought Art OK, could you please tell me how?

@Hardkill The main reason why the Israel looby is too powerful are the following: Neoliberalism and ties between American and Israeli elites, predatory capitalism, and corporate lobbying into politics run amok in the USA government. Blind spot, bias and preference for egalitarianism, multiculturalism, democracy, Liberalism, individualism and human rights, feminism, and equality that the USA/ western division cultures projected onto Israel. Basically in terms of developmental factors, like cognition, morality, mass psychology development, personality, ego development, mass hallucinated states of being/becoming within society, Other lines of development, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by cultural/societal programming, metanarratives, information ecology and disinformation/misinformation campaigns, propaganda, and worldviews. The mass cognitive dissonance and blind spots of categorizing Israel ruled by Zionism as a authoritarian regime similar to Nazism and the Nazi Party.

@Thought Art Would you consider Rachel's death by US bulldozer used by IDF as a war crime? Also, there's an interesting parallel between this event with Rachel versus with Tiananmen square tank man https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjJ5Jycm5yFAxWYVEEAHaYuCegQFnoECC0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTank_Man&usg=AOvVaw22pEQtjNCTXw4o99tQas5g&opi=89978449 If a totalitarian/authoritarian regime like China and the CCP, even the tank operator, were hesitant enough to not run over this tank man, yet an IDF soldier operating the bulldozer can callously run over a white American citizen, what does this tell us about the lack of humanity with IDF versus the apparent empathy of the CCP and Chinese tank soldier? What can we infer about how depraved this whole Israel/Palestine conflict really is if some American can get bulldozed by an IDF Israeli Zionist soldier, yet a Chinese soldier was just hesitant not to run over tank man? I hope this is a wake up call for the USA and it's allies to reconsider Israel's fronting of western cultural values and possibility of an authoritarian regime structure. It's eerie how historically similar the false branding of claiming your party as western values, democracy, individualism, and how the Nazi party claimed they were a social national party.

@Yousif What do you mean by slaves, and 'we are slaves'? Do you mean we're mostly in wage slavery, labor slavery, slavery by coercion/blackmail/intimidation, physical slavery?

@Thought Art War is good, bad, and somewhere in between.

I'm liking more of this guy's content, very well balanced, put together, healthy skepticism and proper research and framing: Of course this event is also covered by 100s of other YouTube Channels, for example Bob Gymlan who's also an interesting content creator with a good perspective even with some bias.

@NoSelfSelf OK, I'm looking into your eyes...and they're kinda Shady Slim!😎

@StarStruck The most effective insult and put down ever. It's always the subtle disses, but you have to be able to reframe anyway right away. If you're in the right state and feeling the fun, your comeback should've been immediate like "Yes, I am a pretty good boy late at night😏." or "Of course! I'm always at my best behavior in midnight😊.". Of course social setting, body language, tonality, context is important.

@Merkabah Star I'm on mobile, accidentally tagged you, sorry.