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@DivineSoda I agree with some of your points. I don't remember the name of the scientist /philosopher that discussed the issue of manufacturing consent, but that's what you're touching on here. Like I've posted, the state, our new god, is cunning and able to play many roles and distractions that the masses project onto it like hate, jealousy, and much more. Furthermore, each community/collective projections onto the state are made up of many individual projections. Each individual projection may be a fiction, but some can be very real, others can come from the differences with each aspect of the environment, moral/cognitive development from each person/group, and states of consciousness derived from brain chemistry, genes, physiology, or from particular Samskaras/karmic build-ups each person accumulates, and at what stage of the spiral your community you're born/living in is. Altogether, this is a very complex issue that simply overthrowing the state would not resolve overnight, so we must learn to negotiate our differences with each other and the state. Again, you've made a good post.

And this is where neuro-linguistic programming shines the best! Re-framing, among other mental modifiers, is NLP's bread and butter.

@Onemanwolfpac Exactly. This is all leading to somewhere dark, like a negativity synchronicity.

@apparentlynoself A yellow individual is a systems-thinker, who sees morality as subjective? But doesn't he also see the systems he thinks are subjective too?

@Roy Would you like to volunteer first?

@ivory Exactly, the George Floyd case was too disturbing that the masses project those negative emotions outward, onto other people, places, the police, the whites, and the state. And the state, for many communities the new god, is happy to play whatever roles and projections the masses want it to play, as long as it distracts from deeper issues brewing within.

@Husseinisdoingfine @DrewNows Another spiritual master speaking on about politics, just like the Dalai Lama saying "Europe belongs to the Europeans.". Yet, as usual, the masses project their hate, love, and confusion onto the Dalai Lama, which the state is all too happy to leverage.

@krockerman Exactly.

As long as people behave in a civilized manner, and not cling to logic like a needy teen, then there's growth to be had here.

That's ok. People are people and will always get triggered. The masses now worship the state as it's new god, and Trump, it's many idols, to be venerated or to be condemned. As long as the collective get's to project outward and distract, the state is all too happy to follow along. The Dalai Lama had warned people about this dynamic, but oh well, don't listen to a holy man, that had gone through the mistreatment of the Chinese communists, that has supernatural abilities.

@Freakyboo Nice story, nice projections. Notice all the shadows in you coming out, and every judgment you make of Trump, the military, the state, and protesters is just you disowning those qualities in you. Every good and bad judgment is you further burying yourself.

It all depends on where the individual is at, and at which level of mind-body development they're at.

I've found that focusing on working on your traumas, shadow selves, deprogramming limiting beliefs, and engaging with spiritual practices like meditation and concentration can serve as supplementary training for transcending needs.

Yes! We must pay careful attention to how we project our devilry and shadows onto others here. There was a user that typed like a white supremacist, and probably was one, or was trolling but anyways, the other users were projecting onto him what they don't like, and being logically superior and all. I was definitely careful with that user but others were not and instead distract and twist around. A great moment for me to reflect and not behave like those aggressive users. Even the Dalai Lama knows these types of forces all too well.

And it is this nonsense that the masses love to project on. It's such a convenient distraction that they pedestal the state as the holder of solutions against each issue, for example, the state will sanction China, will take to court those organizations, will eventually provide better politicians. These 'will do this, will do that.' are future projections of the masses. The state is all too happy to follow through with the wills of the masses, claiming itself as the new god, whose fingers can silence independent thinkers and give voice to the sheep and intellectuals they manufacture itself and craft consent to.

@Bodigger That's interesting you framed blessing and luck in that way when the blessing is often associated with something very divine and luck with probabilities that involve favorable/unfavorable, fortune/misfortune... Let's not forget that the masses now worship is not the old man on the clouds, an empty circle, a many-limbed humanoid, a group of deities, a brain, the big bang (some places still do). It is the state, the organizations of other people, that the masses can project onto their fears, hopes, and a feeling of security of their countries, cities, and towns, their families, all won't ever be lost to unfortunate circumstances. The state is all too happy to leverage these projections for its benefits. Of course, this is all my projection, and I'm not stupid to say to do away with the state completely. The situation is such that we must find our own way of dealing with the state and continually negotiate with it for our potential, as individuals and as collective, for life improvement.

@Parththakkar12 Yes, I think there are chances that Trump might win. That's my projection, but also your projection of the future. You haven't factored in China, Russia, North Korea, and other countries though, which could trigger easily a nuclear war and other sabotages. Alternatively, we could have Joe Biden/Hillery Clinton, so yikes, what can we do? Yes, in the context of the collective protecting itself, it seems to involve a majority that's stage blue/orange than other colors. This is probably why the Dalai Lama said 'Europe belongs to Europeans' in front of a leftist party's election in Sweden, to remind the collective there that don't simply take in refugees and that's that, but train them well and send them back to help their homeland develop. Instead, people get triggered at the holy man, a man that is at stage turquoise, has the siddhi to alter wethers, that experienced how the Chinese treated the Tibetans, that is wiser than them. That's the projection of the masses, it seems it can't be helped...

I'm reminded of a story I listened to when I was attending a local retreat with an occultic Gura. He was slowly pacing back and forth on the pearl-white, wide stage he's on. I was at the front row, and he gazes at the back row. " a long time ago, my teacher once told me a long-bearded old man, trudged up a hill with his cane, smiling, taking in nature before him, and came across an oranged cloaked man sitting on a stony patch, with beads all over his head.". He eyes each attendee at the back, landing at each guest, "The happy old man resigns to sit across the oranged-cloaked man, onto the soft green grass. Their eyes met and the old man could tell this man's devoid eyes have seen another part of nature. Before greeting each other, a long-haired, flute-playing man strides along the graveled, muddied path with lengthy strides. Strangely, like the orange-cloaked, beads-headed man, he instead has a spiky flower that sits slanting away from his head, which contrasts the bluish soft powdered skin of his face. And for that matter, his entire bluish body. Like the old man, he flows into sitting on the wet, graveled path he walks, and with vibrant eyes, greets the old man eyes and the orange-cloaked man's eyes-". He then starts eyeing up the middle row. "They introduced themselves, the old man's name is Lao-Tsu, the oranged-haired man, Buddha, and the flute-playing man, Shiva. They then commenced their discussion about nature itself. However, each knowing the difficulty of talking about the true nature of nature, begin by first declaring an attribute to it. Buddha first declares nature is bitter, Shiva declares nature instead is sour, and Lao-Tsu finally declares nature is sweet.-". After spending some time here on this thread, and seeing how users interact with each other on the issues of race discrimination, inequality, and left vs. right politics, I can't help but detect how each mind of the users are battling each over, framing and re-framing each other's pieces of information, inaccurately interpreting each other, trying to control the bigger, mainframe of this thread: Will Trump be re-elected? This is the mainframe: 'Will' sets this context as a future possibility, which is comparable to an imaginary scenario, of which little can be argued for in terms of objectivity. 'Trump' is already a loaded word, that has a variety of associations in minds today, starting from the right, as a successful businessman ready to 'make America great again', and show 'those sleazy politicians that leached us some real change!' that'll finally 'stop undocumented immigrants coming in!' Or a man that'll finally make my business profit some more, and him being a business person himself, he'll finally bring America's economy to greater levels than China! Or To others from the left, an idiot that'll run this great country to the ground, who's merely an idiotic racist that doesn't know what he's talking about' and so on depending on your position and life experiences. 'Be re-elected' is a nasty part of this mainframe. Why? First, it re-inforces the future, into a more specific direction: will history repeat itself? Depending on who you are, this can bring out, once again, feelings of fear and defeat (if you're leftist), or feelings of hope and confidence (if you're rightist), from the possibility of re-living Trump's victory again, and keeps this mainframe as a specific frame within the general projected future frame. Predictably, different users here bring up issues about race discrimination, inequality, and policing, issues that stem from a different situation/context: George Floyd's case and #blacklivesmatter protests, and some come from lived experiences. I remember the first time I saw a black man, and his name is Michael Jordan, who was playing as one of the characters that, at the time, I thought discovered how to travel to the cartoon world and got to hang out with Bugs Bunny and the other cartoon characters I liked. That left an impression on me. Shortly after, I was into music, when I first heard Michael Jackson's songs he was a favorite of mine. When I learned about his backstory briefly, that shocked me and left my young mind confused then (I was around 7 years old) and I couldn't figure out why he went from black-skinned to white-skinned. That left an impression on me. Years later, during my adolescent years, I got to stay in the Seattle area and continued my entire middle schooling. Not only did the racial diversity of students shocked me a little bit, but my experiences with the Afro-American part of the schooling, positives, and negatives, really re-contextualized how I saw that part of the human species, was different from the Michael Jordan/Jackson modal (without the blue school uniforms, and some common practices and procedures from teachers and the environment I learned from my UK primary-elementary schooling, I would confidently be lost and confused as to which class and which peers to hang out with). Come to think of it, a lot happened so quickly that at the time I couldn't recognize a pattern forming, Years later, during my high school years, I was in North Canada, Quebec, at yet again I met some very different people with different cultural backgrounds, with an added challenge: the French-English language, bilingual culture, and of course another country with different cultural importances like, in Quebec, they loved their poutines (fries with gravey and cheese), were more liberal with regards to clothing, and loved hockey. However, the American culture didn't have this particular fetish for poutines or liberal clothing (maybe, I was told off for some of my fashion sense), and they loved Rugby more than hockey or soccer. Speaking about my childhood, I remembered the first chess game I had with my Dad. At first, it felt hard, trying to associate meanings onto each chess piece, how each piece moved to each part of the chessboard, learning all the chess rules and techniques, and piece values. I didn't continue playing the game, until many years later, when I was able to watch a recorded match on youtube between Gary Kasparov, the world champion at the time, versus deep blue, the latest chess A.I developed by IGN at the time, and that entire match was for some reason exciting enough that I picked up chess as a hobby. I remembered very well a hard chess game I had with an A.I program on my phone, that I lost plenty to. Each move I made I was calculating each variation of moves to make, evaluating each sequence and whenever I knew a sequence is bad I would discard it out of my mind, to keep continuing searching for better moves. During the match, I found the greatest sequence that limited the A.I"s influence of the board while maximizing my ability to attack its king. There was a user here that I was communicating to that brought up many different points, really keeping in line with the mainframe of this thread, without diverting and going deeply into too much on race discrimination and somewhat more on policing and adds in the spiritual/paranormal topic like entity manipulation, which was to me at the time so left field, but had some interesting interconnections to the actual mainframe I established and we had an interesting back and forth, and most of the time I was trying to get the user to pause for a bit a look at the assumptions being made here, on the user's pet theory, or you could say conspiracy theory, that the user draws between spirits and elections. I can't quote or bring the user's name here, for some reason they're all gone, but he was rather confused and from his writing seemed triggered when I was 'conflating' A holy man with spiritual powers, stating to the majority of immigrants that 'Europe belongs to Europeans' and my way of telling it was too conformist and inaccurate. He insists that instead, it was part of a spell to lull people into conformity and moral obligation, that demons were at work, trying to feed off of the emotional turmoil of every election. Again, I tried to help him re-frame his side of the story, but he just up and went 'poof'', and now I'm starting the forget how interesting our back and forth was, let alone the point of our interaction at all. Which reminds me of that chess game. I finally defeated the A.I. program, and I felt very happy. Later on the day, though, I realized I didn't save our match, and I felt so annoyed and felt like what was the point of having such a victory when I lost the data that I could learn from. I even was trying to remember each move of the game, a caught myself here, and there misremember or misplacing pieces that it was frustrating. This brought up a memory of the aftermath of Gary Kasparov versus. Deep blue. Despite Deep Blue winning, controversially, it was taken apart and discarded. Near the end of my high school year, I remember not liking too much hip hop, but I remember one song in particular called 'Rap God' and I was liking the song. If I'm not mistaken, it was playing on the radio, or I was listening on an online website. When I got around to seeing the official video, I was surprised, that a white man was rapping, and rapping really well! Briefly learning about his background, at that point I felt that despite the differences, from racial to cultural, that actually there can be similarities, despite emotional frictions and differences that we can somehow co-exist. When the Gura's gaze lands at the front row I'm in, he exclaims "Unfortunately, my teacher said that Buddha, Shiva, and Lao Tsu couldn't quite resolve their discussion of nature, and so, they conclude themselves and part ways. However, the Buddha's understanding of a bitter nature now has some elements of sweet and sour; Shiva's conception of a sour nature is mixed with bitter and sweet, and Lao Tsu's understanding includes not just sweet, but bitter and sour natures as well." You know, it was one of those moments back in life where you would, like, be giddy and rush towards the roller coaster, to really get at the action, until later on at the top of that peak you go 'Why the hell am I doing?'. Well, I raised my arm and asked the Gura "So, were the teachers able to understand the natures in the end?". He shrugs, saying " My teacher did say they have, by a miracle, managed to communicate the impossible, to their peoples at the time. But, people's heads are like lakes, and when they come together, their minds are like the seven seas and their minds, then, create torrents of muke and storms to cloud a single drop of truth. In a bizarre way, humanity is itself an achievement of lies, a really vast collection of siddhis onto itself. Probably why other masters warn of seeking out paranormal powers: you have already been enmeshed in powers around you. It was my speculation, back then, that this was why spiritual rites and magical abilities were guarded. Now, because of the mind's nature, there's no need, it's already warped with magical lies."

@Dutch guy Sorry, I wasn't intending on being reactive. I slightly agree with your points on police brutality and culture. I was just reminded of the Deepak Chopra vs. Sam Harris debate, and how similar the dynamics are between the users here, the Sam Harris's that articulated far more than you did. Like Chopra, you struggle to contest with people here that have a binary opposite view to your own, similar views, or views outside the context of this thread and situation. However, I get your side and am not debating against you here. I agree with parts of your views here. Yes, he does like peace when other cultures keep to their own without too much mingling. The Dalai Lama, a holy, supernatural saint, that altered the wether during the Chinese communist attack on the Tibetan temples, saying ' Keep Europe for Europeans' is saying a lot.

@Dutch guy Most of the threads I've seen between you and others seem to suffer from the Deepak Chopra vs. Sam Harris dynamic, where you don't quite skillfully articulate yourself while the oppositions could do better, a few did quite well to articulate their points. However, Chopra is still pointing to some big truth, despite his lackluster delivery of it. @Dutch guy is pointing to some truth here that the user struggles to clearly type it user-self, and we're criticizing this user's delivery, but not the truth behind the wall? If the Dalai Lama, an enlightened man, and a supernaturally gifted man, can say 'Keep Europe for Europeans', doesn't it give it some validity at all?

Didn't the Dalai Lama once said to 'Keep Europe for the Europeans'?

@Dutch guy You are tickling my funny bone. @Carl-Richard

@Serotoninluv Can a person with a severe mental disorder, in such a state of consciousness unable to voice his/her thought to another, be able to vote for a politician? Can a person in a vegetable state (coma), vote? Can a person vote under a life and death situation? If a person has given a vote, but under duress to do so(blackmailed, threatened to vote, e.c.t) be considered a vote? To the OP, when I addressed the could've, I meant it in such extreme circumstances that the person cannot vote, absolutely cannot vote without risk of life. While we're talking about politics, we also have animal rights issues. Do they have a right to vote? What about the A.I program that can speak, that was given American citizenship? Regarding would've, a choosing, that is interesting, because if you don't want to vote, can you don't want to vote? In a dictatorship? A tribe? An alien planet? The astral realms? And I'm interested in the OP's motivations for this thread.

@louhad Would or could makes a big difference. If you could vote, you can have a say in politics. However, If you couldn't vote at all, depending on some circumstances, that leaves you unable to have a say in whatever politics you are in. Whether you would or wouldn't vote for a politician is another issue, because in most countries, if you're eligible for voting, you have to vote to register as a citizen paying taxes. As far as I know, the USA does allow you to not vote for any politicians and you could declare yourselves stateless, but that choice is illegal in most countries. Not regardless. If you followed Leo for years, and he's your role model, and he says his opinions about Trump, would you agree that that would shape your view of Trump? After all, he's the vehicle in which you made real progress, right? Mind sharing some of those Prager U comments? Any other website? Have you talked to a 'Trump supporter' face to face? I'm asking because you acknowledged that this website is antithetical to Trump. I know you said you were genuinely curious, but what if you're not really curious, but instead feeling secure in that because this website is antithetical to Trump, you wouldn't face strong backlash voicing your question?

@louhad Would or could vote for Trump? Is someone that is non-American also a Trump supporter? Is this before or after Leo voiced his opinion about Trump in his videos/posts that gave you this antithetical feeling of Trump? Have you asked on other websites or places about Trump supporters before?