Danioover9000

@Consept So, if new evidence showed that most rapists were falsely accused, and most victims were lying under oath when testifying against the rape being bad when in the contrary they were enjoying the behavior of the rapist, and a consensus is reached by different groups of people that due to new evidence gathered from both additional sources and review of past history of every crime relevant to rape, that a new law will be passed for softer punishment and eligibility for the accused and harsher laws for the victimized. Just because objectivity is consistent doesn't mean permanence, it's also objective that change can occur at an objective fact or situation, like I've stated above about the whole perpetrator/victim cycle, because this cycle is part of human history, part of a bigger set of actions taken at each other human being, that throughout time is experienced as direct experience, then passed on to outsiders and surviving human beings involved or not involved as second hand knowledge, which is then recorded and taught through some education program or public service facility to educate those that lack direct experience of such traumatic actions that some actions must be kept, some must be thrown away. This we call ethical codes of conduct. I don't really see where we disagree at, because I do agree that facts do change over time, and some facts are treated in an objective manner for sack of usefulness. If you mind telling me where we are disagreeing then I'm better able to understand your take.

@Consept Yes, some facts can change throughout time.

@Consept A consensus is an agreement made by different groups in a society, like social contract found in the justice system, religious texts and other types of ethical codes of conduct. Objectivity is a fact or data that is extremely consistent, measurable, quantifiable, has undergone layers of proofs, like the fact that there's a sun, or rain is water, or the snow is white. Where consensus and objectivity meets is in the gathering of continuous data of human interactions between each other that surviving humans find benefit in keeping and discarding some human behaviors, which triggers designing ethical codes of conduct throughout history in order to continue this filtering process. I'm sorry, the world or people? Because the world's too big, beyond human concerns and is impartial. You're also speaking for a speculative consensus for groups in deciding whether or not that killing jews is acceptable, and whether or not slavery and torture are acceptable. To really know what is or isn't acceptable, means that prior to deciding right from wrong is needed a history of human interactions that involved actions (killing, slavery and torture) done in direct experience by the doer and receivers, and witnessed by other people, recorded as second hand knowledge, and taught in some way by the survivors of the doers/receivers/people that lacked direct experience of such events. In this way, we decrease selfishness over time, or another way is selfishness can evolve away from less cruder forms of actions, and objectivity, whether social or the universe like gravity, is enforced by consistent occurrences. In this way, both of us benefit.

@Carl-Richard @Consept They call it objective because there's a usefulness in gathering consensus among people under objectivity. Yet it's also true that objectivity is relative and dependent on things with consciousness and thinking to exist. Also, the sufferings and harms done to each other in history up to now is a learning process and necessary for a basis of compassion and love, because without strong contrasts it's not that easy to develop morality. When I say morality I mean a 'moral compass', an intuitive right and wrong, not ethicality, the lists of rules by culture themselves.

@Consept I think it's called bio energetics.

@Recursoinominado I do agree that masculine shadows does create distractions from authority, but when it comes to considering good or bad role models, depends on the individual seeing those role models and what weaknesses the individual has. I could see potential for a door mat or people pleasing person to become better by modeling from Trump, but some other personality types and people with degrees of higher consciousness, modeling Trump isn't useful, or in this case 'bad'.

@louhad I guess America will learn the hard way.

I think it's a bit of both luck and skill development. It's a balancing act.

I'm getting harassed on this forum for no other reason, and I've pm the user to leave me alone. This has been going on for a week and I'm getting fed up. The user has vanished from the site, so I don't know what to do now because the user keeps coming at me then disappears.

@Jacob Morres You mean the OP?

Speak for yourself.

@Roy It's absurd because we're trying to play God and trying to understand multiple perspectives whilst being imprisoned in this body we're in. How is it possible to go from knowing another's perspective without destroying your own? The more you try to know another, the more you destroy yourself, because there's only 1 perspective with every life experience lived and remembered, and other perspectives are imaginations no matter how closely otherness interconnects to your perspective, so the cost of more understanding of otherness is you lose yourself more. So we must at some point become God as that thing , but the viscous catch 22 is we can't be fully God whilst we're still imprisoned here.

@Consept Objectivity might exist from both utilitarian purposes between people and for society to function from consensuses agreed upon.

@SgtPepper Okay, but let's consider these possibilities: 'Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water' it's an innocent sounding quote at first, but notice when we reframe the metaphor of the quote 'Before enlightenment, chop heads and carry women. After enlightenment, chop heads and carry women.'. Questions: Is the ego truly dead from enlightenment? What's really stopping a god realized person from doing his/her normal routine? Or from intensifying the usual ignorance of the karma? Spiritual masters are not immune to this problem.

@Rajneeshpuram Yes, it definitely does accumulate energies that not only damages the minds, but carries over to the next life.

@Carl-Richard Nice description of yourself there.

@Hello from Russia Who says I'm watching any PUA teachers? You're assuming way too much about me. I'm claiming that claim of 80-90% sex success depends on man's skills is wrong and limited. This leaves out the woman's part in the process. The gist of what you're saying is that chasing tails gets you developed, while the gist of the thread is the opposite.

@Knowledge I'm typing. Is my direct experience lying?

Where are the high standards of this forum? Anyways rape is wrong because it's traumatic and adds weight to your karmic train. The end.

@Hello from Russia Responding in vagueness doesn't help your case at all. You pinned all the insecurity onto PUA done by insecure males and females, and now you're claiming that you've claimed insecurity is everywhere, so take your pick: insecurity comes from everywhere, or from PUA? You've also claimed that 80-90% of sex is mainly done by men, not women. This is quite distorted. You're wrong on consciousness, and you're assuming too much about my mastery of consciousness, and our arguing about consciousness is pointless here. I don't care about your subjective prioritization of consciousness, other than your faulty associating consciousness with attraction, because there is a small percentage of men that're not highly conscious yet are attractive.

@BipolarGrowth Keep a dream journal, and practice lucid dreaming, meditation, and various forms of visualizations. Those are the main skill sets that was used to create many things including this reality.

@Gesundheit All the more important for people to transcend porn and sex and move on in life.

@Hello from Russia LOL, the shallowness of sex highly dependent on men? Actually, it's highly dependent on experience, deep insecurities, beliefs and participation. You make it sound like the guy is doing all the work, while the woman just lays there limp. Not creepy at all. The 'wibe'(vibe) is not limited to PUA and insecure pick ups, there are more deeper issues at work, mainly coming from different areas of your life you're deficient in. Sort those out first. Consciousness has nothing to do with attractiveness, and there are more factors in increasing attractiveness than increasing consciousness. I can increase my consciousness, yet that itself does not alter my physicality or actions, and I see men and women for what they truly are and not want any to do with them. Increasing consciousness has more different outcomes than merely attraction.

@benmitchell2812 I think It's mainly about biases. Elliot has a body bias more than mind bias, which means that concepts and ideas are more difficult to deconstruct, especially if it's supportive of the body bias. He does have a point with meditation sickness, it is a spiritual purging process, meaning you will have a short or long periods of mental, emotional or physical turmoil, and then some higher peace is attained. Also, if you narrow most of your time and energy only meditating, it does nothing for your other areas of your life other than atrophy.

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