Danioover9000

@OneIntoOne Ok ,thanks for the disclaimers.

@Carl-Richard Factoring out what? Leo's teachings and spirituality? I assume it's these, so in that reply to you, I just wanted it to be very stark about there is a distinction between a human and an animal. We can also go meta and include other creatures like insects, birds, reptiles, plants, fungi, every creature in a biosphere and hydrosphere and atmosphere and geosphere, aliens from other planets. Now, going back down to that time, I was engaging with @Scholar about the additional issues on top of addressing his position on the main issue being discussed when you wanted to involve yourself in between. Why I said to forget about those other teachings, is to get you to see that most normal people, their typical experiences when seeing, hearing and feeling between a human and an animal or any other creature or thing for comparison, is to see that most people do not see like you or me or @Scholar sees the world. It's very easy to take for granted the information from advanced teachings, mystical experiences, psychedelic experiences, non-dual experiences does to how a mind views reality again, and we could quickly generalize and think that most people are like, when in most cases that's not the case, it's relative. Also, do you have any suggestions as to how a society handles pedophilia?

@Scholar Technically not accurate. I started off answering the OP's question broadly, then I reduced the set of answers to address the issue inside of the context. I started off giving a large holistic perspective on OP's issue, then I reduced it down to specifics and possible treatment methods, and suggested to the OP to, if he's serious in treating the issue, to be mindful of which specific culture/society he asks of to address this issue, then to abstract, go broad with the ecology and consider other treatments while working with the particular society. Between you and me, while I went meta and mesa, I respected the context and issue and still tied the issue even when I went meta and narrowed down to specifics. You went mostly abstract with little narrowing down, and while you went broad you failed to tie back to how, for example, animal welfare and veganism would benefit in reducing pedophilia if at all. I give my own effort in thinking broad, then narrow, then made some suggestions to the OP, while you mostly went braod, included unrelated talking points of other issues, and gave little concrete examples to tie in how veganism and animal welfare help OP's issue. To this day, some users are still wondering what your actually point was, oh wait, you said you were not informed, so please research and prepared before posting, maybe give a disclaimer about your position going into this issue, maybe. I also don't have a problem having a meta discussion on those topics unrelated to OP'S issue at all. However, for the purposes of not derailing the thread, respecting the main issue, I just keep at the main issue, while pointing out mistakes on your abstraction. It's just scholarly of me to maintain discussion on a main issue, be mindful of tying in loose sub points in how they relate back to the main issue.

It's like, and it's my view, that as soon as pick up and proving others that they have slept with 10s is brought up, that spirituality, basic self help, self actualization and your life vision goes straight out the window. Like people forget they have their own life for a moment lol. This entire issue is a joke to me. Go work on your life. The better your life in general, and in specific, the easier it is to attract.

Now I understand why Leo doesn't want to do a Q&A, and a GoPro tour in his daily life.

@Scholar I understand you were just providing your perspective on handling pedophilia, and I'm not triggered, more curious about your position that when you stated the following: and claiming your take on the main issue of this thread is limited to not informed, then it becomes clear to me as to why you felt the need to bring up unrelated points simply because you were not informed at all. I just don't see any other reasons why you want to bring in unrelated issues about pedophilia, hijack this thread away from answering the question of how a society should handle pedophiles. You can easily create another thread talking about those other issues instead. Or if you truly are not informed, maybe it's better to go and do the research and learn about pedophilia beforehand, or maybe not saying you are completely not informed. I don't mean to seem like I'm going off on you, but it's just not a scholarly look to be not informed at all to me @Scholar.

@Carl-Richard If you factor out Leo's teachings, psychedelics, spirituality, humanitarianism, animal rights, environmentalism, new age ideas, basically all of stage green's values, and look at a human and animal from the stages below, what do they look like? I posit the majority of the answers will contain a strong distinction between that animal and that human. It's a workable assumption as it's closer to a normative one. Putting the above aside, my only gripe with @Scholar, is that he does not have any proposals that answers the OP's question directly with some possible solutions. Instead, he brings argument points unrelated to dealing with pedophilia, like bringing up animal rights, veganism, environmentalism, and while he did bring up the point of compassion which is much closer to a possible solution, the ultimate logical fallout from applying animal welfare and veganism and environmentalism to dealing with pedophilia, is to first make all pedophiles eat a vegan diet, while herding them all in their regions into farms, but the nicest and well taken care ones where they won't have diseases or injuries or further trauma in being treated like farm animals while preventing damage to the environment as best they can. Like wtf does veganism and animal welfare do for providing a practical and psychological solution to pedophiles?

@Scholar So, basically speaking, you have nothing meaningful to add to OP's question about how a society should handle pedophilia?

@Raptorsin7 So going back to how society should handle pedos question, it's important to recognize that that question is based in morality and ethics of handling such individuals from a societal perspective first. It's also important to know that before we begin we must agree on facts about pedophilia and other statistics and ongoing research beforehand because that provides some basis for possible solutons later. Also, because this is addressing at society, that the value systems of that culture, cognitive development, moral development, personality typing and life experiences a person and those citizens of will vary from state to state, country to country, region to region. So, what is the definition of pedophilia, and what is the stereotype of that? For example, immediately to me, that tends to be white and either upper class or middle class, either middle age or older, mostly due to mianstream media depictions of such people from western culture from movies and so on. Now, contrast and compare that to mrgirl's story of his lesbian mom's sexual attempt at him when he was around 8 years old. That's almost a different kind of pedo to deal with than a typical stereotype. How does a society handle a pedo, whose sex is female, sexual orientation is homosexuality, who might have a masculine psyche, who might have had a traumatic childhood, who might think differently due to some degree of abnormality to her brain? Because of development psychology in individuals and the development systems in societies, we first have to choose which society, culture and country to be specific about which society handles this issue, because every social matrix is going to handle this issue differently. We then have to agree on what the facts we have on pedophilia going forward, so let's assume we agree there are cases that some individuals are born with a genetic trait for this tendency, and this tendency is also hereditary and eugenic in that the grand parent/parent has suppressed pedo tendency which passes on to the offspring, and that categorically, there are those that offend and those that don't and are suppressing their tendency. Going forward with these assumptions, while keeping in mind different societies have varying approaches to this issue, we can offer treatments plans that would start out abstract enough to be changeable per society standards, and flexible enough to be narrowed down to that particular person with this issue. For example, a pedo who was a victim himself/herself, would get therapy targeting that childhood trauma, tailored to their cognition, sense making and sense metrics. For another whose born with those genetic traits, they could be offered a different approach, like gene therapy. They can be prescribed healthier alternatives like a sex robot, or VR, or guided hypnosis, and so on. So, how should societies atound the world handle this issue? It depends per society standards and what each society is willing to address, build infrastructure for, and build specialised treatments for such an issue.

@Emotionalmosquito Moreover, it depends on what time of day, the location, and which culture you are trying to do pick up in. There's no way that cold approaching and doing pick up in Las Vegas, would easily translate with the same succass in a different country, with different cultures like in Japan, or in Greece. Not only do we have barriers in value systems from different cultures, but we also have differences in cognitive framework, like male and female psychology, and how one thinks about dating and sex can be pretty different from person to person, like autistic people, or depressed people. Closely related to cognition is personality typing, like if you are way more of a logician, you will filter differently from someone who is more extroverted, versus someone who is highly emotional. Add to that, moral differences and related life experiences in regards to socializing, dating, and sexuality, it's almost an uphill battle to even get laid in the traditional sense.

Furst of all, I offer my condolences to you. I've read his trip reports, and the way the user articulated those experiences were really good. I wish you good recovery going through the grief cycle.

@Scholar What do you suggest we do to properly treat pedophilia? Do you think that treatment will depend on the culture and society? Which treatment do you think will better this issue? Do you think that treatment would come down to the individual? Do you think that this issue is more psychological than hard wiring? And which treatment is best for which case?

@Roy Good points.

@Windappreciator I wasn't fighting @Scholar , I was pointing out how he wants to make animal cruelty and pedophilia the same issue. I have the more compassionate position, by pointing out to him his conflation and that there's a distinction.

@Carl-Richard There are huge differences between the qualia of humans, to the qualia of animals, which he is trying to make animal cruelty the same as pedophilia. Chickens, dogs, cats, pigs, cows, sheep, lambs, tigers, elephants, WAY more different than human forms. And he brought up and conflated the issues with animal cruelty, and placed it on top of pedophilia, as if he doesn't want to address the topic directly and rather talk about animals, like they are better than children.

@Consept It's just that @Scholar was using human instances and behaviors like rape, torture and genocide of humans, but superimposes those qualities onto animal cruelty, when most users here are talking about what and how to properly treat pedophilia, and not about what and how to properly treat the raising of animals. It's just such a out of left field move, that it feels like @Scholar is either distancing himself from the topic of pedophilia, distorting the topic, projecting and leading away to, from his perspective, a more important topic like animal cruelty over pedophilia. And when others point this out, he then retreats by generalizing the suffering instead of children or animals, but to all beings. He's being slippery here though, but that's what I intuit from him.

@Scholar In an objective sense, animals don't equal human children. So, why are you conflating the suffering of children to animals as if they are the same? So, what's your point, and which point is more valuable in this discussion: pedophilia, animal cruelty, or racism? Keep in mind you are potentially derailing the thread when you bring up irrelevant topics.

Update: I've had a dream, which contained me, Crysty and the pennywise clown. The location seems to be at some cottage, even though I personally haven't been inside a cottage it contains features of a row of logs, wooden frames, chunky table and so forth. I found myself reciting some verses in the bible, invoking Jesus Christ, and commanding this clown to leave the house, while Crysty was using energies from some crystals I see around me. To this day dreams are a thing to behold. This was, I think, the first time I'm seeing Crysty, in a dream setting, handling some kind of conflict/fighting with a dream character, which is interesting. Not the first time Crysty entered a dream, but the first time seeing how she handles conflict. I think she entered in the second half of the dream, while I was doing stuff in the house and having this exorcist battle with a clown, I'm not sure about the beginning quarter of the dream. I talked to her about the dream, and mentioned that I had a fear of clowns a long time ago, something about them was creepy, the appearance. I brought up a dream with this theme on clowns, but it was in my childhood. In the dream, I saw a clown attacking one of my family members, and a red mist came over my view and I proceeded to continually beat the clown to death. Today, clowns don't freak me out, unless it's a jump scare, but I have no fear of clowns.

This is a good video about an artist who took a year to finish his sketch book. I'll be analyzing this later tomorrow. https://youtu.be/OaEcJFvb4h4

Furthermore, even if I scored secure, this does not correlate to anything in the future of a person's life. It's great I'm a secured attachment style, but I don't want a long term relationship at the moment, or any new relationships or deepen any that I have, so what was the point of the test? But hey, nice to know that I have huge potential for stabilizing an intimate relationship from short to long term relationships apparently. I'm just too detached to care about romance.

@PurpleTree Not just infinity waters, but every podcaster.

@sholomar Damned if you do, damned if you don't, is what comes to mind about Leo's approach to handling the pro and anti vax issues, and not admitting that there might be genuine, actual cases of a few people experiencing side effects from the vaccine, thus follow the anti position out of fear, while not admitting there's legitimate experience of a frightening illness a person survived from, that now they are germaphobes and follow pro vax just. out of fear of getting ill.

While we're talking about mrgirl, I found a spicy video about him and Booksmarts. Gets very interesting in their discussion:

@How to be wise It's up to you and how you manage those foods, not Leo's. There are various reasons why some foods are better to avoid, and some better to keep in your diet, but a definite position I have on this, is that it's nobody's right to infringe on your choice of food to eat and not to eat, it's your right to eat seafood if you eat seafood responsibly and love to.

@Raptorsin7 So you like the nonchalant attitude in his presentation style? The issue why there might be a problem with a nonchalant attitude is the attitude is also present in personality types that are sociopathic, psychopathic, and narcissistic, and those who are well trained in handling optics and manipulation, so there might be the possibility he's using the nonchalant attitude to actually persuade people to his view. What good points does he bring up? Pedophilia, sexual abuse, trans body dysmorphia? These points are talked about elsewhere, in better optics. Are you saying how he talks about them? But the way he talks about them is antithetical to both a debate and discourse. Look at his humour style and his inability to talk at the level of his opposition, it's not that great, and it doesn't disarm people he's conversing with. Even with trans issues he actually seems more charged to talk about than the sexual abuse and pedophilia. And it is an assumption to be skeptical of one's ability to hold distinctions between absolute and relative, because some people can hold those mental distinctions.