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@Raptorsin7 Well, in that case Destiny would be mirroring the impartiality of GOD, in that it doesn't care for one thing over another, and equally treats everything as fundamentally deviod of meaning, whereas Nick reflects the love of god, vai through telling many jokes and disguises any Nazi or white supremacist ideology through fun and games. Both are unfortunately cucked by the devil, Destiny, an ex catholic, came out a sociopath while Nick's a secretive Nazi, also in the mix is Mr. Girl and whatever he represents. So yeah, energy plays a factor, as well as charisma and saying the right things to leverage the crowds energy to you, like Donald Trump. Technically if we're obly on the energy factor, Bernie Sanders would have been far more favorable to be president. Clearly outshines in the energy factor.

This is especially the case if such individuals are hell bent to fulfill a mision of destroying parts, or society as a whole, at the cost of thousands and many more suffering greater misery and are actively pursuing that goal.

@Tyler Robinson It's taking into consideration of the living spaces, materials for the construction of each part of a prison facility, tax payer money per year that pays for funding for every equipment and maintenance costs, paying for the use of the phone, funding for food and water supply for inmates with or without parole,versus those that are on death row. American prison system is notoriously pretty expensive, and they do try to make a profit for each incarnation they do. Humanitarian considerations are not limitless in the face of cannibals, psychopaths, sociopaths, rapists, child murderers and paedophiles. Housing extremely degenerate humans that chronically wish ill will and harm to other good samaritans and civilians in society, while putting police officers, nurses, doctors, wardens, and other people that have to manage and deal with such evil for decades at risk of getting hurt or killed, while having to pay more taxes of keeping such devils alive, is the greater collective harm. The humane thing for such types of people, is to kill them off quickly when enough evidence is gathered that they clearly have intent for degeneracy, and harm to others, and strong desire to continue until death regardless.

@Raptorsin7 Well, technically you are correct, as Nick is far more integrity of being who he is compared to Destiny the sociopath. Don't know about the love part, maybe he loves to disguise his intentions with humour?

Seems like the cists for death penalties are cheaper than life imprisonment. https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Is_the_death_penalty_more_expensive_than_life_in_prison#:~:text=A preliminary study by South,the other cases by %24353%2C105.

@DieFree Maybe too delighted.

Yes, a stage yellow person like Dabiel Schmachtenberger for example, and a stage yellow society can support the death penalty given enough information and contextual understanding of how the death penalty effects a person, all the way up to cultures and the world. A stage yellow person and society is not hyper emotional, soy, and care bear delusional hippie like that is too stage green, or too individualistic business and profit driven like Stage orange, or too nationalistic, patriotic or religious like stage blue. Stage yellow has ascended tier 1 cognition, and operates above it in tier 2 cognition, and is above the moralizing games of the stages like many posts if triggered users ub this thread denonstrate clearly. We are evidently far away from a stage yellow society and population wise we rarely find any stage yellow system thinkers. So we'll have to waut until we have the matrix, and A.I that is hyper intelligent decides who to spare or not for the greater good.

@Epikur This alone would be a very compelling argument for Destiny being sociopathic and manipulative

This is a great video, demonstrating hypocrisy and double standards from all sides involved. Also, another powerful word 'obfuscation.' and 'obfuscate, obfuscating.'. Here's a definition from google: Definitions Definitions from Oxford Languages verb make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible. "The spelling changes will deform some familiar words and obfuscate their etymological origins" Similar: obscure confuse make obscure/unclear blur muddle jumble complicate garble muddy cloud befog muddy the waters Opposite: clarify bewilder (someone). "The new rule is more likely to obfuscate people than enlighten them" Similar: bewilder mystify puzzle perplex baffle confound bemuse So, what is obfuscation? Why does obfuscation exist, and how is obfuscation and hypocrisy interconnected?

Oh god, it gets much worse. I have lost even more respect for Destiny, unfortunately Mr. Girl looked weak rhetorically. It's like one other debate with Sam Harris and Deepak Chopra, Chopra looked like an idiot and was in the wrong, but ultimately, he was right long term, but short term rhetorically less convincing.

@AtheisticNonduality I have completed one of many points in my bucket list, living long enough to see heroes turn into villains? Enough complaining for today, time to use my wacom tablet and draw comics and anime and stuff.

@AtheisticNonduality Oh no, another Nahm@zurew?

@DrugsBunny First off, nice pic. Agreed, this situation is very sucky for the majority of artists, not just visual artists, but for those who do music or dance, imagine A.I evolving fast enough to replace the majority of creative jobs. It' s ridiculous. In fact, if A.I drawing programs get really good, it would put thousands of Mangakas out of work fast.

@SQAAD It depends on one's value systems, cognitive and moral development, personality, states of being, life experiences and other lines of development, worldview, and the type of mind you have and its biases and which sense making apparatus it prefers. It may be just a language or semantics issue. Whenever I hear or read 'manipulation', or 'exploitation', I get negative connotations in my mind. However, If I hear or read the words 'rhetoric', 'optics', 'persuasion', 'compelling' and similar words, I have much less negative thinking and feelings of those words versus manipulation, exploitation, blackmail, coercion and so on. I think you may have muddy meaning generation, conflating additional meanings to the word 'manipulation' that it doesn't have itself. For me, there's linguistic distinction between higher forms and higher conscious manipulations versus lower conscious forms of manipulation. If you asked me what lower forms of manipulation means to me, blackmail, coercion and threatening are obvious low manipulation tactics. Higher forms of manipulations are white lies, providing reassurance despite how grim and dark a situation is, or creating a compelling vision for yourself, to self manipulate yourself from lower states of being towards higher states of being.

Manipulations happen when you're aware or not aware of them. Also, most are not educated enough to recognize they are getting coned, and no amount of consciousness can help protect you against a con, other than when a survivor of that con telling you what happened to them. You won't realize you are getting gaslight, until someone that survived it or a past manipulator reveals the gaslighting mechanics.

@r0ckyreed Assuming, with little to no evidence. Assuming being a leader is easier than being a devil. Not everyone will be a leader, because of extra work and time, and other limitations that naturally creates a hierarchy that not everyone can be a leader at the same time. Persuasion, influential and inspirational are other characteristics of manipulation, as all leaders have to manipulate one way or the other. In fact, as a finite self, you have to manipulate one way or the other. All devils =!= all devils evil. Some devils are good, like the one that does your mailing, or the one that did your roofing, while still believing they are a separate entity from you.

And when it comes to politics, I'm a bald eagle myself too, with a little bit leaning to the right.

@Raptorsin7 I'm no Destiny fan, but I do acknowledge that he and Vaush are skilled enough debaters. It may have to do with differences in value systems, cognitive and moral differences, personality traits, states of being, life experiences and other lines of development. In the past, even though it's likely an exaggeration, some claim Destiny is a sociopath. He may have sociopathic tendencies, and is neural typical and autistic, but I think these differences may give a mixed signal and vibe that may be misinterpreted as malicious.

@zurew @AtheisticNonduality @thisintegrated Speak of the devil: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmvqm/an-ai-generated-artwork-won-first-place-at-a-state-fair-fine-arts-competition-and-artists-are-pissed Here. We. Go!

@IAmReallyImportant Sure! That's great! Until A.I develops general intelligence, which'll have far more consequences than just replacing other knowledge type or creativity type jobs. So, I guess the key question, for our generation and our current situation, is should we introduce further limits to how A.I is developed and used? Further regulations of technology?

@AtheisticNonduality I have to compare something with something. If you think my comparison is weak, why don't you provide a better comparison then? For example, look at A.I recognition systems, and virtual reality, and the history of video games and how the graphics evolved over time, to become more and more realistic, while obsoleting each tech that was considered the highest performing device. That'll someday be artists and the jobs and careers you've worked really hard to get into, only in a few years or several years' time, get obsoleted along with the artists as well. It's all fun and games discussing the problems of A.I advancement and unemployment increases/decreases, until you feel that happening to you and having to adjust and deal with the strong negative emotions and thinking of losing your sense of purpose. A thing has taken away your purpose isn't a good feeling to feel. I don't know why most here are too naive to the dangers of the A.I. Oh, yeah, we're using the internet!

@DocWatts I agree context matters a ton. It makes all the difference really. Oh yes, I am saying sometimes the defamation, slander and inciting violence an artist can slip into their work covertly, or in Eminem's case overtly, is irresponsible. In the case for Eminem, this isn't his first diss track against an artist. Eminem is also more famous for not just how he raps, but how shocking and controversial he can be. He one time made a parody video of a number of celebrities, including Michael Jackson. In fact, he was having a vicious go at Michael, during the allegations of him being a pedophile. He was relentless in making fun of Michael, that Michael's fans were outraged, and it made him respond to Eminem. The irresponsible bit here, for me, is that he was riding the wave of the allegations against him, riding along the defamations stuff. What I'm trying to say is, if I was an artist, and I had to push the boundaries here, I could do a drawing or a painting of the Jan 06 almost Inserection and depict the white house getting rekt. is this moral for me to do? I know context here really matters, but if I did this, is it moral, under the frameing of it being an art piece? Obviously in the political setting, policing the freedom of speech more is what I lean to especially if it's encouraging violent behavior.

@DocWatts I agree that we may need to call out the dog whistlers, provided we don't look like we snitched outright though. The trickier thing to call out, though, is when the defamation, slander, cursing and incitement of violence is a part of a work of art. For example, this is one of 5 songs of a diss track between Eminem and EVerlast. Have a listen: And it's blatantly obvious there's loads of incitement of violence, defamation and slander here, but should we call this out or not, morally speaking? And then it's off to the legal system if this is grounds for a lawsuit or charge, but that's dubious as this is a form of art right?

I really don't think people here appreciate how quickly A.I is gonna replace almost every labor and creative field that humanity has ever created for itself. Again, do I have to bring up how some A.I programs like Alpha Go and Alpha Zero were able to master chess and Chinese Go for under 5 years? 5 years, and beating grand masters at their craft? How long do you think it's gonna take for A.I to obsolete the entire field of art? 10 years? it's coming artists, be ready, and be prepared to feel and thing negatively about it too. You can't just say 'Well, fine then. Just gonna use the A.I program while I'm doing the work as well'. Yes, you could, but you're denying how your role is gonna get replaced, and where does that leave you? Jobless? It's really not that hard to imagine how A.I will also do the same with other fields of art as well if it's very successful at doing it with games, and language. Also, language, very big deal later on.