Danioover9000

@Chives99 Paying their respects. Is that alien to you?

@mr_engineer Rascist.

@mr_engineer Racist much?

Play around with them if you want, but I am not going anywhere near these programs, the thought of my catalogue of images I've spent work in being used without my knowledge is enough. Any artist, especial those who draw and create images, with high self-respect would not stoop that low, sorry.

@mr_engineer Okay, another penny down the well of misery. Who's next to demonstrate green compassion here? Loving the vibe of this place!

@AtheisticNonduality You can make any movement expressive of kinesthetic intelligence, not just in combat sports, or sports in general, or all types of dancing or all forms of martial arts. Pornography and fucking technically is far more expressive of kinesthetic intelligence. I'm just saying, and I said this many years ago to that reth user, to exercise more safety and responsibility, and to some hyper green users here, to chill and do other forms of kinesthetic expressions, but don'y strongly judge boxing and all martial arts as some greater evil, or mislabel it as low consciousness. Then don't get hit. Bob that head up and down, left and right, like these guys: Or just stick to shadow boxing and working the speed bags, heavy bags and ropes.

@Scholar At this point, we need to give this technology a few more years to see how it might impact graphic designer careers, and whether these increases laziness to draw stuff.

@ArcticGong Oh, scary! I didn't know we NEVER have criticism in the British public in all of history ever! Giving a penny for your thoughts, doesn't stop bad pennies turning up.

This a pretty good video on A.I. programs:

That's not a fair comparison to compare the UK with North Korea.

@StarStruck Were you the user that was arguing about some users here calling boxing and martial arts stage red? My take, is that we have this: And we must acknowledge that because of multiple intelligences, some are more specialized in one type versus another, and for some who have more body intelligence. It's low consciousness to judge one human field as good or bad but deny that some people are just built for those fields you consider low conscious, to some users who just label and believe so. I say if they are built for that and are passionate to do that no matter what, then there's little point in dissuading them away from that field, other than give some general or specific tips. So, if you still love boxing and martial arts, keep doing them as a hobby, for fitness and to develop good technique.

@StarStruck YES! But only for drilling in techniques and shadow boxing. I wouldn't turn pro.

I like the contrasts and comparisons of the two quotes here. I think we need to be more specific in what we mean as art. Me, and users here against over use of A.I image programs, firstly when I say 'art' I specifically mean, in this context, images that contain, symbolic and use marks from pencils, 2h up to 9b grade, colouring pencils either oil based or waxed based, ballpoint/rollerball/gel pens, black and coloured ink, fine liners from 0.005mm to 2.0mm. Soft and oil Pastels, black/white and coloured, brush pens to shaped markers. I expected, and artist, and also a drawer, to also be familiar with all the art fundamentals wether the experience ranges between months to years per area of drawing. That's the standard I have when someone says artist and has any identify to drawing, and because I love both the classical/orthodox forms of drawing, to the modern forms of drawing like digital art and animation, along with many drawing genres ranging from realistic to semi realistic, and like both the resulting image made and the slow to moderate pace of the draeing process. This is likely why I have an aversion to A.I generating images from simple prompts, as that cuts out radically the majority of the process of drawing an image up. I can see for the sake of convenience and utility, with someone whose not identified as an artist and whose role is different to a drawer, that is justifiable in thier eyes. But to my eyes, it's misuse and cope if you think you are drawing with merely prompting. Life has tradeoffs, art is no exception to this rule. There's more convenience but less joy, and more joy but less convenience.

@illusory I think it's specifically who gets the credits, and as long as the images generated are properly credited to whoever made each image that was used in the program. That could mean thousands of artists, but that's only fair as the A.I didn't generate the images, but taken them from an open source of images. I'm more concerned if there's potential theft or copywrite issue with using samples of images.

@ZzzleepingBear ?

@Someone here If we looked at native Americans, they are more closer to the ideal of communism, in that because of the environment and ecology of those tribes, level of development, cognition, morality, mass psychology, states of being, life experiences and conditions, and other lines of development made ut much easier for them to embody communism at that scale. Compare that to the Russuan culture, conpare and contrast thiee two culture's historical development, and differences in conflicts and it's more obvious in that if a few people, or a group is both too selfish and has accumulated too much suffering, they pass it on to the next generation, which further stockpiles selfishness and so makes it harder for one culture to evolve to uphold higher values.

What is pop culture? I'll be sharing examples of it, and feel free to share yours too. Not just western pop culture, but eastern and other forms of pop culture too.

A good channel that does some analysis on rap songs and rap battles: Also, another YouTube Channel, Knox Vill, does similar content:

@Scholar That's actually true to some degree. If I was more pro A.I. drawing program, the only argument that could save me here, is the potentiality and utility aspect of using an A.I program, to justify continuing using the A.I. program, for myself, on an individual level. However, that does not account for when we scale the program use up to hundreds to millions of users using A.I programs for 80% of the workload, while the rest is spent either brainstorming or repeatedly cycling through the use of other artist's images, re-cycling and reusing other material and sources to spark further inspiration and creativity. Yes, there's the big that we probably are missing, but what makes up that big picture is the millions of smaller pictures that ultimately give meaning to the overall picture. I'm and few others here are just pointing out the potential misalignment of some of those small pictures that could give an already distorted big picture, more distortion. It would be a shame that this program takes the lives of potential artists and inflict more procrastination and justified laziness than already was before the overuse of the program, that's I think one of the fears of this things getting out of hand, but that's with mediocre safeguards in place. As I've said long ago, as long as you take inspiration from A.I generated images and draw something that's about 80% different than the one the robot provided you, where you actually apply some real effort in designing the image yourself, then it's an exception for the individual and draw from observing the image, not some freaking copy and paste in a lazy way. We need more hard-working artists. For recreational and hobby use of these robots, that's also debatable, but for me I think it's fine. It's one thing to use the program for personal reasons, but commercializing and claiming that's mostly done by you, without telling them it's either done mostly by A.I program, and intentionally lying about that is clearly unethical to me. I don't care enough for infinite creativity or comparable to it when it is likely to harm the skill development of those future artists and those who use very advanced insights to justify harm. Ultimately, if you can't see what I'm seeing, I can't make you imagine and see, what I see, could be a future issue for future generations, so we ultimately have to agree to disagree, and commit to see through our decisions to the full ramifications of how it impacts other groups and the world at scale. However! That doesn't mean I'm not using A.I. drawing programs for experimenting further image creations in my mind. I do use the thing occasionally when needed, just as a smart chess player uses a program to discover other variations of chess moves that are possible. Fair use and responsible usage is important.

This one look really good, am listening to it: What are your thoughts about this video? Has Mr. Girl gone to deep for the Prof to handle?

@LordFall What if I add little, to very little of my thoughts and edits? If I only added a single edit, or a comment, does that count as justification of me creating my content, by stealing a YouTuber's potential viewers? Let's say it's the opposite, suppose I'm a big enough YouTuber, I do add a bunch of my opinions and edits, but I separate them into 10-20 video edits of that original YouTuber's video consisting of highlights and bloopers and compilations, am I not manipulating the algorithm to choose my many numbers of videos over the originals, because there's only so many videos that appear in one page? For example, if I'm moderately successful in YouTube, I could, in theory, do this to one of Leo's 3 hours long videos, give my reactions whether scripted or genuinely emotional, then edit into multiple clipped videos, a bunch of shorts, a bunch of 10-5 min highlights, maybe bloopers, and even give a multiple video review of that video. I'm easily making 50-100 videos of mixed low-high quality takes of just that one video, that could easily take up digital space in YouTube's pages, while taking away potential viewers of his, while making it harder to reference to the original. Am I not causing long term harm to the original YouTube artist, if I continue to also do this with every video per week, of generating 10x as much while taking away more potential viewers? If not, then why should the A.I program be justified and pardoned for any potential long-term harm to visual artists and digital artists?

@DrugsBunny I think we have probably hit the bottom end of this argument now, because what Leo has done is equated a human being's capacity to copy and emulate, with the copying and emulation aspect of the A.I program's capacity, and made the two equally valid, because if I raise an issue with credibility, then no matter how many times I raise the credibility of an artist's ownership of an image at stake, he could say that the credibility of the A.I program is also at stake. Why? Because the sub argument that is also made is that we don't know enough of the potential harm of this A.I program, as much as we don't know how a baby human being could potentially harm others and the environment in some way. This also raises another issue, one of, like I've brought up, the intellectual rights an artist has over their own image, saved in the cloud or file. Siy this artist had 10 years' worth of drawing experience, and that catalogue of work is mostly in some file or archived in their account. So, if this A.I program is collecting images from open source, does it also collect from the cloud? And at the thousands? That is not only a lot of copywrite violations, but also worth considering, is this: Does the A.I program know which image came from which artist, to give credit when it's due? If someone can answer me whether the A.I program isn't violating or infringing copywrite of artist's images, then I'd stop in this point. If someone can explain to me, that this A.I program isn't going to replace illustrators/graphic designers/digital artists of every type of digital art, in terms of employers hiring, then I'm happy to read it. I don't think anyone has addressed the skill development of an artist being impacted by this A.I program, and overuse and over reliance of a program for your drawing pursuits. If someone can explain to me how it may or may not affect the motivation of drawing the image yourself, please explain.

@thepixelmonk Just because some artists use the program, doesn't mean it's ethical to do so. For one, we don't know that some of the total gathered images, are past works protected under copywrite law. Most artists don't know if their digitally saved images are being taken by the program through open source. And two, you are not improving your artistic skills much, other than practicing how to prompt and command around a program. Same reasoning is used when a chess player cheats at chess, same reasoning for YouTube reactors stealing content from other YouTube content creators. All you artists, don't be shady. Pick that pen up, don't be lazy.

@LordFall Am I producing true art, when I'm reacting to a YouTube content creator's video? Am I producing true value, when I use an A.I program, that takes thousands of images online, some under copywrite law, and lie that I made that work, when the A.I did 80% work from taking other's works together?

I feel like we are inevitably going to destroy ourselves if we can't properly manage A.I programs. They are evolving way too fast for us to keep pace. We might end up like the video below: Wake up, before A.I completely takes you over.