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@Someone here If we looked at native Americans, they are more closer to the ideal of communism, in that because of the environment and ecology of those tribes, level of development, cognition, morality, mass psychology, states of being, life experiences and conditions, and other lines of development made ut much easier for them to embody communism at that scale. Compare that to the Russuan culture, conpare and contrast thiee two culture's historical development, and differences in conflicts and it's more obvious in that if a few people, or a group is both too selfish and has accumulated too much suffering, they pass it on to the next generation, which further stockpiles selfishness and so makes it harder for one culture to evolve to uphold higher values.

What is pop culture? I'll be sharing examples of it, and feel free to share yours too. Not just western pop culture, but eastern and other forms of pop culture too.

A good channel that does some analysis on rap songs and rap battles: Also, another YouTube Channel, Knox Vill, does similar content:

@Scholar That's actually true to some degree. If I was more pro A.I. drawing program, the only argument that could save me here, is the potentiality and utility aspect of using an A.I program, to justify continuing using the A.I. program, for myself, on an individual level. However, that does not account for when we scale the program use up to hundreds to millions of users using A.I programs for 80% of the workload, while the rest is spent either brainstorming or repeatedly cycling through the use of other artist's images, re-cycling and reusing other material and sources to spark further inspiration and creativity. Yes, there's the big that we probably are missing, but what makes up that big picture is the millions of smaller pictures that ultimately give meaning to the overall picture. I'm and few others here are just pointing out the potential misalignment of some of those small pictures that could give an already distorted big picture, more distortion. It would be a shame that this program takes the lives of potential artists and inflict more procrastination and justified laziness than already was before the overuse of the program, that's I think one of the fears of this things getting out of hand, but that's with mediocre safeguards in place. As I've said long ago, as long as you take inspiration from A.I generated images and draw something that's about 80% different than the one the robot provided you, where you actually apply some real effort in designing the image yourself, then it's an exception for the individual and draw from observing the image, not some freaking copy and paste in a lazy way. We need more hard-working artists. For recreational and hobby use of these robots, that's also debatable, but for me I think it's fine. It's one thing to use the program for personal reasons, but commercializing and claiming that's mostly done by you, without telling them it's either done mostly by A.I program, and intentionally lying about that is clearly unethical to me. I don't care enough for infinite creativity or comparable to it when it is likely to harm the skill development of those future artists and those who use very advanced insights to justify harm. Ultimately, if you can't see what I'm seeing, I can't make you imagine and see, what I see, could be a future issue for future generations, so we ultimately have to agree to disagree, and commit to see through our decisions to the full ramifications of how it impacts other groups and the world at scale. However! That doesn't mean I'm not using A.I. drawing programs for experimenting further image creations in my mind. I do use the thing occasionally when needed, just as a smart chess player uses a program to discover other variations of chess moves that are possible. Fair use and responsible usage is important.

This one look really good, am listening to it: What are your thoughts about this video? Has Mr. Girl gone to deep for the Prof to handle?

@LordFall What if I add little, to very little of my thoughts and edits? If I only added a single edit, or a comment, does that count as justification of me creating my content, by stealing a YouTuber's potential viewers? Let's say it's the opposite, suppose I'm a big enough YouTuber, I do add a bunch of my opinions and edits, but I separate them into 10-20 video edits of that original YouTuber's video consisting of highlights and bloopers and compilations, am I not manipulating the algorithm to choose my many numbers of videos over the originals, because there's only so many videos that appear in one page? For example, if I'm moderately successful in YouTube, I could, in theory, do this to one of Leo's 3 hours long videos, give my reactions whether scripted or genuinely emotional, then edit into multiple clipped videos, a bunch of shorts, a bunch of 10-5 min highlights, maybe bloopers, and even give a multiple video review of that video. I'm easily making 50-100 videos of mixed low-high quality takes of just that one video, that could easily take up digital space in YouTube's pages, while taking away potential viewers of his, while making it harder to reference to the original. Am I not causing long term harm to the original YouTube artist, if I continue to also do this with every video per week, of generating 10x as much while taking away more potential viewers? If not, then why should the A.I program be justified and pardoned for any potential long-term harm to visual artists and digital artists?

@DrugsBunny I think we have probably hit the bottom end of this argument now, because what Leo has done is equated a human being's capacity to copy and emulate, with the copying and emulation aspect of the A.I program's capacity, and made the two equally valid, because if I raise an issue with credibility, then no matter how many times I raise the credibility of an artist's ownership of an image at stake, he could say that the credibility of the A.I program is also at stake. Why? Because the sub argument that is also made is that we don't know enough of the potential harm of this A.I program, as much as we don't know how a baby human being could potentially harm others and the environment in some way. This also raises another issue, one of, like I've brought up, the intellectual rights an artist has over their own image, saved in the cloud or file. Siy this artist had 10 years' worth of drawing experience, and that catalogue of work is mostly in some file or archived in their account. So, if this A.I program is collecting images from open source, does it also collect from the cloud? And at the thousands? That is not only a lot of copywrite violations, but also worth considering, is this: Does the A.I program know which image came from which artist, to give credit when it's due? If someone can answer me whether the A.I program isn't violating or infringing copywrite of artist's images, then I'd stop in this point. If someone can explain to me, that this A.I program isn't going to replace illustrators/graphic designers/digital artists of every type of digital art, in terms of employers hiring, then I'm happy to read it. I don't think anyone has addressed the skill development of an artist being impacted by this A.I program, and overuse and over reliance of a program for your drawing pursuits. If someone can explain to me how it may or may not affect the motivation of drawing the image yourself, please explain.

@thepixelmonk Just because some artists use the program, doesn't mean it's ethical to do so. For one, we don't know that some of the total gathered images, are past works protected under copywrite law. Most artists don't know if their digitally saved images are being taken by the program through open source. And two, you are not improving your artistic skills much, other than practicing how to prompt and command around a program. Same reasoning is used when a chess player cheats at chess, same reasoning for YouTube reactors stealing content from other YouTube content creators. All you artists, don't be shady. Pick that pen up, don't be lazy.

@LordFall Am I producing true art, when I'm reacting to a YouTube content creator's video? Am I producing true value, when I use an A.I program, that takes thousands of images online, some under copywrite law, and lie that I made that work, when the A.I did 80% work from taking other's works together?

I feel like we are inevitably going to destroy ourselves if we can't properly manage A.I programs. They are evolving way too fast for us to keep pace. We might end up like the video below: Wake up, before A.I completely takes you over.

What do you think @Leo Gura? Pretty accurate?

@BaldJesus Pretty good music and production! Should be Actualized.org's national anthem!

Probably worth a watch.

Is it ethical or moral to continue using A.I drawing programs, knowing the usage would increase the probability of replacing Digital artists?

A good video for you pro A.I people:

@Tahuti Yes, nobody would bat an eye if an A.I. program took his music and mix it with thousands of other music it takes.

@Tahuti While the hours spent of prompting is a weaker issue of this, I think the bigger issue is the A.I program using many works os art on online spaces, with some of the artists not knowing their work is getting used.

@illusory I'm also curious of the legal repercussions of when an A.I. program searches for 100s to 1,00,00s of images online, and some of them owned by artists and trademarked. There's the copywrite issue and such. Also, art competitions would probably feel this impact a bit more, as you really don't know who's genuinely drawing, vs a person just prompting the A.I programs for nice images. It reminds me of cheaters who use A.I programs in chess and chinese go, it ultimately ruins the fun of the game, like what's the ppint of playing chess and other games when you can just let the A.I do all the work for you? I am afraid most drawers would be asking this question, whether there was a point to their 10, 15, 30 or so years of art, if a machine can do it better.I can see how it would increase laziness and lack of care for an image collectively, even though art is subjective, like Vaush said, it's the communication and intent of the art making in the first place, and the increasing uncertainty of whether it's a human or a machine that did the work. I don't know, feels like stealing to me, very subtly form of it, like React YouTubers that steal content.

@Bobby_2021 Yes.

Well, this why trolling is dangerous.

@Ulax Yeah, I thought the blog posts were supposed to be insights? And not emotionally unhinged outbursts? Yeah, we somehow went on the wrong path of this visual novel...

Ladies and Gentlemen, every human being is individually unique, and do share similar and different types of intelligences, not to mention other developmental factors involved. Take for example this image: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.adioma.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F03%2F9-types-of-intelligence-infographic.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.adioma.com%2F9-types-of-intelligence-infographic%2F&tbnid=FRhRpGZZKgoJ7M&vet=12ahUKEwjn1aSvhI76AhUGeBoKHTi_DbEQMygAegUIARDZAQ..i&docid=IhMklD9_nrSmTM&w=1000&h=998&q=multiple types of intelligence&ved=2ahUKEwjn1aSvhI76AhUGeBoKHTi_DbEQMygAegUIARDZAQ Plus, neurodivergence of each person's mind, flavors whatever you interpret spirituality as. However, socialization has its benefits, Bodhisattvas still and do social gatherings to share what insights they have to those willing to listen.

@Space Also interested in what you thought of his take on this as well:

@DrugsBunny Agreed. I see some bring up the 'art is subjective, therefore your critic is invalid and unsound' line, in order to defend and justify their use of A.I. drawing programs as good, that doesn't take away other types of digital art jobs. It's the same line of reasoning that YouTube Reactors use to justify their use of a YouTube content creator's video, while denying that they are taking away their potential audiences, like the followi I can't fully explicitly tell how this relates to the A.I. drawing issue, but I can intuit that some theft is being committed to Artists here, and the dangers of not developing one's drawing abilities. Also, this video below, more related to the A.I. issue: While I do have a bias against Vaush, I do agree with him here. Very good takes here and there.

@ZzzleepingBear And this is what I've been trying to point out. It's so easy to justify laziness this way, just type a few words, A.I. generates image, yay I'm an ARTIST!