Danioover9000

Very interesting insights from these people:

@eggopm3 I agree there's an increasing issue of trans people regretting getting sex surgery, that gender dysphoria is an increasing issue in correlation to the internet and social media over consumption, that more left leaning education systems are indoctrinating blindly and confusing our youths further and concede my hyper intellectual opposition towards you. So, where do we go from here? How can we approach this problem, such that our solution does not create more problems?

@Meditationdude Yes, but don't stop yourself there at just accepting those failures and doing nothing else. Accept those failures and learn from them, contemplate why you fail at this or that, and if you can seek feedback. You're actually doing better than half the people that face those failure points and don't accept those failures and are in denial that they failed, so really you are 50% ahead of most people, you just need to pull yourself together for the remaining 50%. GL..

@Carl-Richard True, and given how Clare Graves gathered and did his sampling/surveys, SD could be mostly an American centric, multicultural type of theory of human values development, technically speaking, although that didn't stop those founders and those close to them have stretched the model to cover other cultures outside the USA to explain how other cultural values emerged. Yes, SD and even Integral theory are cognitive theories, yet again, that doesn't stop people from really pushing those abstract boundaries to include spirituality, metaphysics and epistemology and other complex theories in there as well. Ken Wilbur, and to some extent and degree Daniel Schmachtenberger and the other two during the rebel wisdom video, not only are highly abstract thinkers, but can explain spirituality and enlightenment somewhat comprehensively. So, those cognitive theories, or at least engaging and thinking in those frameworks can help a little. Also, this entire thread is, basically, OP entertaining possible alternative forms of SD, so, we're basically seeing how many flavors of this ice cream we can give and entertain. Yes, technically it's still chocolate ice cream, and vanilla ice cream, but we still want to stretch it to include 50/50's, rainbows or even 99's, if some of you get the reference.

@Julian gabriel The higher stages in question, past stage turquois, are stage coral and stage teal and the transparent stages. From stage coral to teal and above are considered tier 3 cognition, and it's arguable that hyper, ultra-levels of spirituality that hyper alien intelligences are also at that level. Like in Metroid series, and the Metroid Prime trilogy, and the Chozo of bird like aliens. Yes, example is fictional, but at this point there's very little real-world examples of even stage coral, let alone stage turquoise despite what Leo had to say about stage turquoise in one of his videos, which, BTW, got copyright strike by the founders of Spiral Dynamics for allegedly misrepresenting stage turquoise, so, at stage turquoise is where the ratio of less real-world examples to more fictional examples happens.

@Gesundheit2 I agree, I am the only god here. Gets lonely sometimes. ???

@Girzo That's ultimately up to the OP. Why I side with OP, is that it is also entertaining for me to entertain possibilities. If it's not your cup of tea, fine, but don't negate OP and I teas, while imposing your own kind of iced tea.

Interesting video:

@newbee On top of all that, is the internet, that acts like a force multiplier and magnifying glass that magnifies preexisting ideologies and indoctrinated beliefs via online forums, chat groups, comment sections, viewers and so on. While there's stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing and ego development, life experiences and other lines of development to consider, the internet can factor in as the magnifying factor that both increases dogmatic, close minded and cult like tendencies and cult like identities, the internet also enables faster spread of ideologies, alongside algorithms per social media website and news feeds that curate and tailors' contents and what is/isn't shown to viewers and users.

@newbee While this is a bit cherry picked, I do agree there's some degree of close mindedness, on every side of the issue. This trans person has constructed an identity to live as an ego, in a group that collectively identifies as trans, is also collective ego. Of course, zoom out enough every position and every side developed a self-image and group-image to hold onto, so every side, including the left, are not immune to this deep issue of identity.

@Girzo Chill out, it's just the OP entertaining the possibilities.

Can we all say this together, that Netflix, please sort yourself out and stop alienating loyal fans? You need some help: How many shows must keep on getting ruined because of biases from the writers, actors or even the directors? OMG.

@Julian gabriel I definitely agree that we should expand Spiral Dynamics and add more complexity, more in a horizontal way like what would aliens and alien civilisations have as value systems, or if machine elves have their own versions of stages of development. Integral theory, by Ken Wilbur, is an example of doing just that, he read and added onto Spiral Dynamics to better determine at the individual level and other lines of development. For me, and some here, it's fun to entertain what versions of the spiral would look ljke from different sentient groups. It's basically philosophy at that point.

@Thought Art Sorry, I am special like that, so I can't help but nitpick. If English is not your main language, warn me beforehand so I can be gentle or ignore the grammar and spelling issues. Update: THEY FINALLY LISTENED TO ME! YOUTUBE, FOR 3 WEEKS, FINALLY ADDRESSED THE REPORTED VIDEO!!!?

@Thought Art Actually, offended for how they handled their videos in general, not being responsible for issuing warnings and disclaimers that warrant warnings and disclaimers in the description box and/or video edited clip, if the subject matter at hand is violent, graphic, dealing with drugs, and so on that need to be age restricted or parts that need censoring. The video you posted about paramilitary and how some of the alt right extremists are recruiting ex-military members, is actually good reporting. Yes, it's socialistic/progressive biased, and has anti mainstream bias as well, but I think this reporting is over all a good coverage, albeit if I had enough time and energy, I could point out flaws here and there with their reporting, plus technical issues, like again, NO DISCLAIMERS AND WARNINGS FOR COVERING RADICALISTIC TOPIC AND POTENTIAL VIOLENT USE OF GUNS. Or something like that.

@Florian I really did tag the wrong person, sorry about that, I'll accept the F U and share in the fed-up feelings that are building up in this thread. Sometimes some users that take these threads seriously can be too much, sorry that you're getting warning points over pointless drama.

I don't know, but I'm getting the feeling that she's a Trump apologist, that is generalizing and distorting half the American population at around 1:30 time mark. I'm starting to not like her, and Lex Fridman more, especially since4 he platformed Kanye West, and this questionable person. Disappointing, but am I right in my intuition?

Here's the video: What are your thoughts and feelings after listening to the video?

@julienw Thanks for your clarification, I thought you were generalizing and I'm like 'what about Ghandi and other celibates that impacted society in positive ways?'. Yes, I do notice this dynamic of the mind liking to be identified as the victim, belonging and comingling with likeminded people, enforcing the victimhood narrative further. It's a tricky issue to tackle.

@DrugsBunny Excuse me, bugs bunny, what wool do you have over your eyes? What drug is bugging you out, with all these pathological logical lies you keep telling me and others here? trying to debate and argue others with your so-called rational construction? What do you have to offer, for OP, instead of derailing OP's thread with sophisticated hate, you hare? You ain't OP, overpowered by Ye's hubris: Anarchistic communist. Oh? thought I didn't catch on, that it's a second account of sophisticated clout making? Maybe less arguing and more willingness to learn? Less debating and more open mindedness? I suggest you humble yourself with humility, and less pretending to be a big footed bigot full of bigotry.

@Florian Can you show where I am toxic in this thread? Otherwise, why the toxic labelling?

@Ramu Not even in a controlling way, it can sometimes go wrong, and a few get canceled because blind mob justice.

On the Donald Trump section, I don't think either side appreciated how dangerously close he almost ruined the USA, because most of Donald Trump's foreign policies came little from him, and more from others with more experience than him. I think Lex Fridman underestimates, and to some extent Fiona Hill, how Donald Trump's narcissism and some members of his group of lobbyists damaged to some extent Obama's policy and other areas of its government. Am I wrong that I get the sense that Lex Fridman is too autistic and left brained to understand how close America came to ruin? I get the feeling, my inference of both Lex Fridman and Fiona Hill, is that neither are willing to give a stronger answer towards Donald Trump, as if they fear a strong backlash from the right. To me, I'd clearly state that Donald Trump did more harm than good to American politics and policies, and that the majority of that came from his lack of political development and experiences, him conflating his business experiences as enough to run a political campaign and country and other lines of development that regress, depress and sometimes progresses other lines of development.

@Stovo No, I think you're right in saying that wokeism one of many other limitations of the excesses of SD green groups and values. Wokeism also is part of the SD green political activism groups like humanitarian rights activism, animal welfare activism, environmental activism, even the online strains of the leftist political activism groups like SJWs or #Metoo activists, even ANTIFA is part of wokeism although it's a more aggressive soft terrorist group of the left that goes farther than activism.

20 minutes in, my impression is that Fiona Hill is conflating similarities of her environment and upbringing from growing up in her culture, to some other culture. I felt like there's likely a blind spot there, like she's attributing that Russia is like the United Kingdom and its treatment of Belfast, akin to how Russia is treating Ukraine. I don't know, something's off. Again, it all depends on one's stage of development, cognitive and moral development, psychological development and personality types, states of consciousness and being/becoming identity developments, life experiences and other lines of development, worldviews, biases, preferences and beliefs that are indoctrinated and imprinted by one's family and upbringings and shadow aspects of the psyche and value systems. Of course, I have my own biases and worldview about Lex Fridman and Fiona Hill and the other guests he has interviewed, which may cloud my intuitive signals from GOD, the universal mind's source, or simply my right brain signaling getting corrupted by my own prejudices and biases of my own life experiences.