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Why do so many men, women, people in general, fall for scams like these? Why do so many young men follow Andrew Tate, and get suckered into a affiliate link scheme?

Here's the original: Loving the newer presentations though.

Oh god, I sometimes don't like Destiny, but sometimes he hits accurately the problems with some YouTubers, lately the Logan Paul and Coffeezilla situation: I also suggest watching the original video of him reacting to Coffeezilla.

@KH2 Well, guess that shows just how powerfully upbringing shapes your character in the future, among other factors of nature and nurture.

Tangent, I really don't like how Cofeezilla is capitalizing on this situation. I remember he also did a video that all self-help gurus, the fake ones, and other self-help hustlers' epistemology originated from Think And Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, and made the author as the first original scammer, allegedly. Well, he conveniently left out that he had a son who's completely deaf, and wasn't doing well financially himself, and skipped over the basic fundamentals of getting rich: MINDSET! SUBCONSCIOUS TRAINING! VISION! VISUALIZATION! POSITIVE AFFIRMATION! MASSIVE ACTION TAKING! TRAINING! MENTAL TRAINING FOR ACTIVITIES MORE MIND BASED THAN BODY BASED! 100% SELF RESPONSIBILITY! I CAN ATTITUDE! Of course, that book is more lob sided towards the individual versus the collective social structures, but that's his design choice. The guy's dead, so making allegations of whether he's a scammer or not is just distasteful! I'm done derailing and dunking this coffee pot on this dogshit Zilla, now rerailing back to the Vanilla thread

@AdrianBartan It's actually fascinating to see that all it took is one rejection, one disagreement, to change the trajectory of Andrew Tate's life! We'll see when he reaches his mid 40's, that's the age range that Napoleon Hill says men actually start providing massive value.

@Kshantivadin Language is abstract enough that every group can coop those words and tailor them to suit their self biases.

@Thought Art Exactly. Whatever your stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types, ego development, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development in different areas of life, ideologies indoctrinated into your mind by upbringing, the internet and social media websites serves as a magnifying factor for these developmental factors, including Narcissism and ADD disorders in young minds.

A common theme in every thread: When the thread gets heated, expect insults and heated complaints against each other. Please everyone, chill and relax, the more angrier and frustrated you get, the likelier you develop wrinkles and lesser life span. Have a ?. Or healthier is a ??? or ?????. Even either a ??,?, or just ? will do.

Everyone, take a deep breath! Slow down a bit. Maybe draw doodles or something. I'm drawing with a calligraphy pen right now.

@Socrates Also better ways to manage social media and the brain rot that happens in social media high consumption and the negative impacts of the mind in streamer communities. Until government starts increasing regulations of these platforms and takes more control, we will keep experiencing generational epistemic brain rot in future generations due to declining in our attention capacities, further cultivating ADD disordered men/women, and increases in Narcissism due to false and over glorified self images from algorithm content catering and auto correcting profiles of users.

@Socrates When societies of today figure out better coming of age rituals for boys and girls and implement state wide in educations, that's when we'll probably see lower rates of Incels and Red Pilled guys. Also better study of dating and relationships. All part of the transformational dilemma, and part of development of stages, cognition, morality, ego development, personalities, states, life experiences, other lines of development.

@Lyubov Likely the case, which is sad if that's just the majority of the audiences. If only he learned his lesson early and became wise. Seems to me Andrew Tate is the type of person who's extremely stubborn and only learns through lots of failure rather than less. Well, hopefully he changes for the better, or not. The greatest takeaway from all this, besides many other insights, for shady people and saintly people: SILENCE IS GOLDEN. Do not jibber jabber for no to little reason, don't talk ninjutsu expecting it mostly solves problems, talk as little as possible, especially don't talk about your short comings or how to do this and that fraud here and there. Lose lips sink ships mate. And you are still your own worst enemy.

@Leo Gura Better binaural beats and orchestral music.

I found a pretty good documentary about Cryptocurrency based scams here: What are you're thoughts and feelings? Is this new economic system too brand new to be revolutionary? The more important question than the last bit in the end of the video, to me, is not when this gigantic Ponzi scheme would explode... It's that, are we developed enough as a collective, nationally and globally and socially, and even as individual mature ego, based on our stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing, ego development, states of being/becoming and consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development in different areas of life? Are we ready, or are we premature and rushing into a too revolutionary ideal of a brand new economics and markets?

@zurew King of the Grifters. At least he's funny. Obviously trolling.

Tech Lead guy is back, with a hot take?: Feel free to share your thoughts. Also, a Leo Gura and William Shakespeare take: 'There's no real right or wrong, society is a construct.'. Even if this guy's trolling, he's subconsciously telling spiritual truths.

@Lyubov That hypothetical and hyperbole was said for a good reason.

@Lyubov I agree Andrew Tate has some lessons for us to learn not to do. Maybe some men, likely teenagers, who don't have much to do than watch videos and passively listen to podcasts of Red Pill theory and suffering from too many rejections and negative emotions might be more effected by his videos, but I don't think the majority of middle aged men or older would be effected and influenced by Andrew Tate on average, bar none the exceptions in those age groups, demographics and psychographics. The first part of taking responsibility is very important, and the second part of flashing wealth will depend on where you are really, if you live in a middle upper to upper class neighborhood it's culturally expected you flash a little bit of wealth and status. Not everyone can pull off an IKEA homeless guy look, with a broken down pickup or a falling apart mansion. ??? This is also a lesson of where do we draw the lines between manipulation and exploitation, versus persuasion and influencing in business and commerce settings. If you were in Andrew Tate's shoes, it likely that the power and fame and fortune and other shadow selves would drive you to making similar choices or even the same ones. We all are each other's worst enemies at the end of the day, what mind voices says, you likely would do, especially the younger you are, the more you listen and do what it tells you to do.

@AdrianBartan Well, we live in a society. In a society, we try to inspire each other, for better or worse. Men and women objectify each other, sometimes to the ninth degree of obsession simply because women have female minds, and men have male minds, plus differences in values systems, cognition, morality, personality types, ego development, life experiences and other lines of development in different areas of life. That's all. Leo: 'Society is where we inspire each other'. Also Leo: 'Humanity is the bull shitting animal, and society is the matrix'. See, we are caught in Indra's net of MAYA, almost forever trapped in each other's realities.

@Rafael Thundercat NICE!

@Romer02 NICE! Good job, keep on doing those online sales for Amazon. I'd probably try to make the ads and SAO earlier for the attention traffic and light increase in revenue, but overall I think you're doing fine. I intuit it's not you LP at the moment, but it's much better than nothing. Hopefully you discover your real LP, that's when things get really interesting! If you're going to make a YouTube Channel, try to emulate Mr. Beast and invest some percentage into the YouTube Channel business, for example better camera equipment, better recording and editing software, maybe delegate to a few very skilled animators or something like that. Decide what should be free content and what should be behind a pay wall, or behind petrean. Really think what you want your YouTube Channel to be about mainly. Good luck!

@Lyubov True, we live in a society, which has multiple complex factors of development, including relative notions and relative rules that need to be enforced to some degree. They do have some partial traditional values in their psyche, otherwise they would be far more savage and brutal and unhinged and have more predominant stage red values, and not 'civilized' and bureaucratic and collectivist/conformist like stage blue. However, those stage blue values are not present enough to be top priority, instead the unhealthy elements of stage red and stage orange (Both stage red/orange is a wave of individualism, coming back to the self rather than to others and the collective) are more present in Trump and Andrew Tate and bubble from their unconscious into their waking consciousness every now and then, whilst they keep a stage blue/orange appearances. If the alleged claims of him sex trafficking are proven in court, he is guilty and should be sentenced to prison, I agree here. If it's proven Andrew Tate is not guilty of sex trafficking, then he does not go to jail, regardless of any moral qualms you or I or any stage green person here has for his behavior and worldview. No human being deserves anything this or that, those are distortions we project onto reality of our ideal situation we want. Here's an interesting question: If any of you truly hate Andrew Tate, and you view yourself as the vigilante and Coffeezilla like complex, what's stopping you from trying to kill him? If he truly is evil, rapist and scammer, well, what are you doing just watching him do these alleged things? Shows how many of us have significantly surrendered over our authority to social infrastructures like politics and policing, and are happy just complaining.

@Lyubov If we had to compare Tate with Dan and Tai Lopez, at least the later guys looked the part and gave very slightly more value than him. Still their courses sucks, but if anyone could extrapolate the key lessons, and then abstract them and integrate them into your mind, contextualized to your life, then actually that's the better way of learning from these guys. Guys like Andrew Tate, Tai Lopez, Dan, Tony Robbins, Gary Vee, values entertainment guy, Tim Ferris, Robert Green, and even Eben Pagan, and even the wolf of walstreet guy, all of these self help gurus and entrepreneurs are not just simple black and white good or evil guys, there's a lot of grey areas here and there, which forces your mind to further try to differentiate and make more distinctions to integrate what works and leave out what doesn't. Based on stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing, ego development, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development in different interconnected areas of life. The capacity to abstract, extrapolate and integrate whilst disintegrating lesser qualities of one's character is a powerful ability to cultivate over time. Another issue this brings up, is what are the ethical standards of self help and entrepreneurship? Is it a ratio of hustle culture : business and commerce?

@Ulax Okay then, good to know it's for triggering purposes.