Danioover9000

@Nilsi I was specifically referring to the western bit, I thought you and that other user meant this entire forum is eastern division. Maybe this thread, but the rest of the forum and website is western, sorry.

@Emerald Fine, I screwed up the bolden parts. However, you haven't addressed the issues in my previous post, and again, I could be wrong, seems like you're now dodging the possibility that you've actually directly addressed to me than to OP. If you got an issue with a Furry in the thumbnail, just say so. No need for the passive aggressiveness and differing to OP constantly.

@How to be wise @Nilsi Actually @Carl-Richard is right in claiming this forum is mostly western dominant. Just look at the map here in Actualized.org, in the life purpose course page, and roughly how many use Actualized.org, mostly from the USA, Canada, and the UK and other European countries. Other places from the eastern cultural divisions, are not the majority here, the majority are from western divisions.

This is a really good video, I wish this is the level of discourse here in the thread:

@Someone here Actually, it's a bit the other way around. At least in democratic first world countries there's far more outrage and outcry of these sexual assaults. In other parts of the world, there's still deep stigmas of dealing with those situations, and worse, reporting a case like that is discouraged, and can sometimes result in ostracization, sometimes even death. At least in the USA and in the Sweden governments, they enforce way more justice than other parts of the world.

@Devin To change context a bit, look at the anti culture movement in the Nixon era, what happened? with age and time, those hippies ended up being in the left leaning universities, some as professors now, now a part of an establishment. Notice how, 30+ years ago they were more hippie and new agey in their thinking and movement, but now they mellowed out a bit and, became a bit more conservative and moderate. Again, it's the wheel of time. I don't mean to conflate the left, middle and right, but again, to me, it's a wheel. What can I saw? Age changes people man!

@Emerald The bolded parts are an assumption based on what OP has written here, and nowhere else in his past posts, which means you have to acknowledge that, if you're entire post from that point was all about the bolded statement, and it's proven to be false, then you are operating on faulty assumptions. Now, I'll assume OP'S point of view and engage with each of those questions directly as if I'm OP, which yes I'm assuming a lot on my part in answering these questions in good faith. Also to readers, disclaimer: we'll be talking about rape. 1. Big assumption and binary. Of course we should prosecute cases of rape when it's reported to the authorities. However, I don't see how this question relates to understanding the conservative mind vs the liberal mind, not political views, the NATURE OF THE MIND. Instead, I'd recommend you tie in this rape question with OP's main idea being discussed, the nature of the conservative and liberal mind, for example when a rape happens, the conservative mind closes down and becomes defensive and guarded against, from the rape experience, to a rape story, because the subject matter is dark. 2. Problematic question, as the built in assumption is there's a false reporting of rape potentially speaking. Here, I'd also agree, and reserve the right, in the legal system, for the authorities to also verify claims of rape. I am not in opposition for or against the charging of the rapist, or the rape victim, I am more in favor for a fairer and more careful investigation, for both sides involved, which is why the American legal system allows, with justification, counter suing and other lawsuits. 3. This question is also problematic, because to imagine yourself getting raped can be triggering and too dark for the reader. There's a lot of factors involved here that also determines to what degree the reader is going to imagine into the scenario, from the stage of development, to cognitive and moral development, personality typing and traits, ego development, life/lived experiences and other lines of development in various areas of life. 4. This is a follow up question from 3, which is even more problematic because, again, this assumes the reader is willing to imagine this dark scenario inside their minds, and go deeper into the rape visualization. Also, for specific factors, sometimes 'holding your tongue' is part of SURVIVAL, as some places in different parts of the world would silence such reporting, and some people with different psychological development won't act as the average would act in these specific cases. 5. Well, what about theft? while this has little to do with the rape questions you're asking, this breaks away to a different context now, with is fine and I accept the change of context, at least theft is lesser dark than rape. Now I can imagine a situation that deals with theft. 6. This depends on the context. If I was a single father in a line to buy some McDonalds, and my wife is playing with my children, and my wife saw a homeless looking man steal a wallet from some other woman's purse, that woman is distracted, a table behind her children, should she call out the theft? If she does, then it puts more risk on her, and our children, a table away from the thief, and calling this out when she and our children are too close to them, puts more stress onto the thief who might get more aggressive to them. The question then becomes this: Can you admit and acknowledge the possibility of silence and compliance, as a form of self defense, and that sometimes it's the BEST FORM OF DEFENSE? Also, in some places on earth, if you publicly call out a theft, a group can gather and chase down the offender, and beat them up, or chop their hand off. Look, I have stated this before, but again I can't help but feel that you're original post is addressing me more than OP. Yes, OP may have introduced a rape scenario in his original post, or not I don't know, but I've replied to him, and attempted to steer this entire thread into a more specific context, a sexual context, where OP and some can see the differences in a conservative mind dealing with a liberal mind attempting to introduce them to some kink or sexual roleplay, in a DnD setting. That's my post that's trying to give a more specific case of showing how a conservative religious minded person has dealt with what he perceived as a betrayal of trust and perversion, especially when in context he describes that he's a recovering pyrography addict, a Christian, and the person in question who betrays him, is his Fiancée, and he warned the DM, PC and his Fiancée that he felt uncomfortable and wishes to roleplay without the sexual themes, to which, their liberal minds do not acknowledge and respect his wish. To me it's too coincidental that it happens to be my post you are indirectly referring to more than the OP's.

@Nilsi Sure, although it's still subject to time and relativity.

@Devin Helpful to think of the left, middle, and right, as a gigantic Ferris wheel, the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round. What's then left, becomes the middle, and finally, becomes the right.

@Nilsi When I said the extreme left, I don't mean current online progressives, I mean the terrorists and freedom fighters and rebels, the chaotic groups that are willing to overthrow an establishment violently. Not keyboard warriors.

@Roy @mr_engineer Sounds like you both were geeks or nerds when you were kids. When I was a kid, I spent time playing chess, video games, drawing, and making my own pillows. Also a bit on DnD, and imagining other worlds and people to interact with, and sometimes to hump on. That's the reality of most children, the world and others are magical, and they feel good when touched the right ways, mentally speaking.

@Blackbeat Really? 1984 is overrated, it's comparable to apocalypticism every civilization entertains.

@Devin Tangent aside, let's come back to the main point of this thread, the differences between the conservative mind vs liberal mind. The video below illuminates the understanding you need to know both, in a DnD setting: Despite the thumbnail, please watch it. It's there when you're looking for it.

@Devin That's true, because when they took over Germany and established themselves, they no longer were extreme left like the terrorists or freedom fighters, so they became a Totalitarian/authoritarian government. Many decades before though, they were just a small party, not even, and had a vision, a Utopia, of what Germany could become. That, having a utopia vision, with a very small group, makes them extreme left.

@Devin They originally started as extremely left, and overtime swung to the right over time. Yes, because there was an already established power there, a more traditionalist right governance, and this little ideologies like Mau's revolution and Nazism, started extremely left, until they rapidly took power, became the new status quo, making them become the extreme right immediately after employing their authoritarian policies.

@Nilsi @Devin Both a difference in the government structures between the two countries, I think what's making this complicated is the historical conflict between the two. It may not even matter who started it, what's more important is, how do we negotiate in such a way that the two stop fighting each other?

@Nilsi To be fair, even though I agree here, I think it's specifically the extreme left that starts it, and then the alt right of that era maintains and finishes it.

@Emerald Well, then it maybe is a syntax and semantics issue, because when I was reading your post and questions, it was worded combatively. compared to my posts here, I wasn't as aggressive in my wording. Also, because of what I've been posting in page 1. I felt this was aimed more at me, not the OP, as I was making the comparison using the DnD example here:

@Devin Technically, Communism came from Russia, which inspired Mau to lead a revolution in China, so they're the problem then. If they never heard of Communism, the revolution would've happened much later.

@Nilsi @Tanz SO TRUE! But actually, those aren't considered the left, but Totalitarian/authoritarian structured governments. Maybe you two meant that extreme left? Or, the freedom fighters that are Communistic and Marxist? Historically Mau was inspired by Communism, although China and Russia then were more antagonistic to each other than the current relationship between the two.

@Emerald I don't mean this to come off as abrasive, but I'd not suggest when talking about the similarities and differences with the conservative mind vs liberal mind, with a subject matter that can itself be a 'thought terminating cliché' and trigger close mindedness and backlash, and increase likelihood of a heated debate here. A better alternative would probably be other mundane examples first, before going into the deep end of very dark topics, because most will just ignore, or will become combative. I'm assuming here a bit, as I'm similar in OP's thinking and positions in the past, but when I read that post, I immediately don't want to engage with your post.

@aurum Mainly because most brains of Progressive's, the area that 'spots the differences' and identifies problems, is much more active compared to conservative minds, which is why sometimes progressives appear more whiny and complains about issues, because sometimes that's literally what they see all the time.

@Ulax I'm a conservative, and I do class myself as a systems thinker.

@Sincerity Pretty sure it's like a colloquial slang, like if you did an amazing favor, or helped a lot, or gave solid and complicated advice, the other person's like 'Oh, he/she's SUCH A GOD!' or 'OMG!'. Happened to me when I helped a friend in need, the person found it amazing, but I kinda cringed a bit cuz it wasn't from my view but still felt good being called a god.

@Carl-Richard Words have power, and owning a name gains power, maybe, I think in demonology and the Kabbalah, big deal in those esoteric circles, plus numerology, where the 9,000 comes from. Also, not just written or spelt, but spoken. Every time I see your name tag, I gotta remind myself 'no, it's car-lull, not coral in the Walking Dead's pronunciation. It's a car and a lull.'