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At 3:24-3:27 Destiny thinks Alex O'Connor mispoke when he said 'I didn't mean to equivocate you-' which in Destiny's perspective he thinks Connor meant to say equate. However, this IMO as I'm body language analyzed his tonality and word choices in Jorden's podcast with Alex, I think this is a big red flag, a big Freudian slip or self snitching moment from Alex here because he ACTUALLY is being equivocating here, trying to set up traps for Jordan to fall into in his own argument. I find it telling that Destiny wouldn't word or say that, but try to downplay that slip up from Alex when IMO as I've seen the original podcast it's clear he wanted to bait Jordan into a deeper mistake.

@Joshe 1. Because that's too much responsibility for you to bear, that's why you're you and not that whole thing. 2. The balance is way off because of 'metaphysical' evolution, and overtime there was a mass extinction of empires that were spiritual or non-dual that just die off faster than those that can survive and fight better. Case in point the Spanish settlers and the Mayan empire, Mayans were non-duel and an empire, yet they couldn't survive and failed to adapt to the superior weapons technology of the Spanish, the measles and chicken pox they carried on some of them, and even the Mayans made enemies out of other tribes nearby for their human sacrificing ritual. Really it's just evolution and even warfare that does this. 3. Because you have a life, have bills, taxes, debts, societal obligations, family and friends, you have a life you are preserving. That takes priority over some truth or spiritual stuff that might be profound, but will lead to your destruction. Personally I don't care, go and be more spiritual. Maybe you'll repeat human history, and like all those forgotten non-dual spiritual empires, you'll likely die off just as fast.

@Joshe First off arguments in it's foundation are not about wanting the other to see you as right, but rather making your view and your position the right one, more right than the other, and in some case to humiliate the other's position by persuading and convincing. To do that you have to have a position on some conflict of interest between you 2 or more sides to a resolution, then you argue and list your reasons why, and provide evidence. That's a bare bones as you get with arguing, plus you're ability to string together fallacies and convince more people to side with you is what really matters. The emotions and feelings come second.

This is a great video showing 2 type A personalities and arguably very skilled sales people go at it in this podcast, and also suggest the original for longer body language observation.

@Sugarcoat Yeah I agree, this website is also Steller! Like I got lag, connection issues, freaking missing buttons, and now my tab which shows me my content history is GONE! Yeah fantastic service right here!! Like I said, all his vieos are valuable, and all equal big 0. Like very BIG 0.

@Yali It's a tough choice to rank order, all seem valuable, IMHO all are equal to the value of 0, absolutely nothing of value!😂

@Joshe And that is what I meant in that post! Thank you for agreeing with me and contradicting yourself!👋😂

@Schizophonia Thank you for your bravery. I will kick up a fuss if they decide to warn and ban you, I will remember you. Also @strika and even @Merkabah Star Thank you guys! Also I will take a break and chill out of that politics sub forum because everyone going cra cra and you guys should. This time is crazy and I don't want anyone to get banned over stupid shit like politics. You're all welcome here to say your piece and even rap out your stage red side!

@strika I agree keep Biden hanging in there, he needs to last past 4 months, he CANNOT AFFORD to back out right now! We need Biden more than ever to just hang in there!

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@zurew 1. I wrote all of that to contextualize your paragraph of nothing. 2. Objectively speaking Christian morality is better than any subjective moral relativism of a criminal that thinks it's behavior is morally better. Those that believed the raping, killings, stealing, kidnapping, owning slaves were morally subjectively better than Christian orthodoxy and theocracy, what happened to those people? They got punished by a much better collective objective morality, from theocracy. And once again you are dodging the question of how do humanists, secularists and atheists source their morality from? Because there's a lot of borrowing from Judeo-Christian values going on, but rebranding them as some new atheist movement. Also look at what the Spanish settlers the Catholics did to the Mayans when the Mayans thought their human sacrificing was morally better than Judeo-Christians. 3. You are dodging the questions on declining birthrates and high divorce rates since the separation of church and state. Why such high divorce rates and low birthrates? Why do most western societies have to source from 3rd world theocracies?

@strika I agree with all this, but I hope you don't get yourself into trouble. Crazy times we're living in...

@Consept I watched that debate and honestly it was a very bad look for Destiny. I get what he's trying to do, ex fan here for decade of him, I get his trying to outrage the public to get more clicks and views and get a discussion going on, but this time like just within 24 hours of making fun of a firefighter and a Dad who shielded his wife and daughter from the shooter's bullet and died, and Destiny there who also is a father making fun of this and going after the daughter's tweet was CRINGE AND DISGUSTING! On this specific context Destiny loses that argument as it's highly immoral, in this specific context it is disgusting! But he's also right on the big picture that a subset of conservatives online do make dark jokes onto left wing people, online. I really wished he handled it differently because now he's getting the heat and getting clowned on by EVERYONE left right and center! The debate and how Destiny tries to justify his actions were just so bad that I hate Piers Morgan but I was routing for him to attack Destiny more and really expose him, and I was siding with the other panelists because they were making more sense with this specific context!

@zurew 1. Right, and secularism/atheism led to western countries all being too much egalitarianism, feminism, multiculturalism, and led to Neo liberalism destabilizing foreign countries and 3rd world theocracies which led to mass immigration. Also Atheism and secularism led to legal abortions, that's fine, but some western countries did too much abortions leading to rapid decline in birthrates, and state sanction marriages and divorces led to higher rates of divorces. All this basically means that atheists don't have a good answer and they want a western country devoid of Christianity and any religions, yet they ALWAYS happen to borrow and treat the bible as some source of inspiration, borrow the Judeo-Christian values which are the foundations of most western countries that are based on, like the constitution and so on. This all as I understood his position, he's not here to refute your objections but if he was you're in trouble because he's the better debater. 2. You can argue about the true nature of objective morality all you want until you turn ashen, but Andrew Wilson's position as I understood it is more pragmatic, that it's far better to PRETEND there's a god or some divine figure to base your morality from, and it's more important to have these rules and enforce them into it's place. 3. Why is there a need for objective morality? Maybe so that you have a higher percentage of others not doing evil BS and crimes onto you like stealing, killing, assaulting sexually, damaging your home, kidnapping your children and wife, and many other evil actions because that organized religion/state have these things which we call LAWS and ETHICAL CODES that that society ABIDES BY, so that any evil action if caught you'll get PUNISHED! And the fear of getting PUNISHED and jailed for a crime, that fear of the future, ideally prevents more crimes. For example the punishment of theft is one hand getting chopped off, and that fear forces the potential thief to either a) get very good at theft or b) don't steal in the first place and do something productive to your society, for example.

@strika He was really really lucky.

@Leo Gura ok.

https://youtu.be/eGQSVzqa1G0?si=Anv_cvRdaRnP21j-

@NightHawkBuzz Was the experience of this Ghetto Gchool so bad that you had to make 2 threads about this Ghetto school? I swear I saw this thread couple of weeks ago...

@Davino Yeah, and better appreciate it and how it's unfolding. Something very strange is happening this year, Trump surviving like that, Biden getting Covid-19 again in the worst timing ever, Obama and Biden's admin behging him to step down. It's all very strange. I could be wrong in assuming Trump might not win, but looking at all these events Trump might be winning this...

@Sempiternity Even with a new candidate I think it's likely Trump migbt win. Trump surviving is a sign, Biden getting Covid-19 again at the worst possible time is a sign, even most of Biden's administration and Obama begging him to drop out and how most people took that event in Twitter and how vile some lefties were joking about the assassination and the death of one of the fathers protecting his child, all is a sign from GOD that he wants Trump to likely win and show us how crazy the left are in the internet, he really wants the Americans to either change the government into a more limited democracy or seriously reflect and do what the Yogis do and surrender...

@Husseinisdoingfine It's fine. Also was a bit personal for me because I have some passion for martial arts whilst being a bit new agey and spiritual. That beung said I di agree on average most MMA are center conservative to alt right, just because those activities are more celebrated and glorified in the right. Can't blame them, geting a good exercise, workout, even sparring does feel good.

@Sugarcoat Our best guess is your family seing you spend way too much time here is abnormal. It's fine to spend some time here but don't neglect life, like if your parents need your help in the garden, or your mother needs help moving a statue, go help out. If you're needed to tidy up the garage go di that. If you feel bored and want to draw and improve drawing, do that. If you feel like playing chess do that. Maybe help out with the cooking and kitchen duties and so on over this forum. In fact don't treat this forum like it's Tik Tok or some other toxic social media website. Treat this place like a sacred word-of-the-day or puzzle, spend some quality time here, but make sure you're not running away from your life.

@Brittany Alex O Conor is a bit left leaning and an Irish. He's actually from the UK and not American and has that posh facade. Main gripe I have with him is he's from the new atheist movement with people like Matt Dillahunty whom I dislike. And Matt Dillahunty lost to a guy called Andrew Wilson, which IMHO is one of the greats of debating especially online debaters of botb the right and left, un fact one of the few that kept on winning against Destiny in various debates despite his sick fanbase silencing Andrew Wilson just because he's 'big papa fascist' and not listening carefully to how solid his arguments are. For example can you argue for a universal morality independent of religion? Can you independently source morality and ethical codes without rules from the bible and holy books? Without a priest or organized religion or without theocracy happening first? Legit argument points most new atheists struggle to answer really well. And in both my and Andrew's opinion Jordan Peterson is just too sophistry and fluff with words, and he actually. IDK what he thinks of Alex O Conor but I likely think he'd even categorize Alex as having that same sophistry and talking in philosophical ways like Jordan Peterson. Would be bice to see Alex and Andrew debate, as he's more direct and clear arguing style, interesting to see how well Alex could handle his attacking style.