Danioover9000

@ryandesreu Was it really a test? Did Biden confirm that it was a drill?

@Blackhawk Oh, you're from Finland? That explains a lot, no wonder you were more biased when talking of the Ukraine/Russia conflict.

@Yimpa Wow, didn't know that. He really needs a check up.

@Yimpa Any updates on why he fell down? Health problems or just exhaustion?

@D2sage Why did you change my question from this: to this? Is this because you want me to look silly, asking why are you assuming that this forum should be informed, when the obvious conclusion everyone may come to is more informed means less misinformed? However, in the original question I asked about INFORMED DEBATES AND ARGUMENTATIONS, which is what you were arguing about with @Leo Gura, arguing about the forum policies and that you demanded, not suggested, that he change his policy to fit your standards and called out perceived biases on his part, which assumes that he wasn't aware of and knowledge of the limitations of debating and arguing, and also that he's 'skimming of the headline' has made you strongly suggest to him to 'delve deeply' into the hot mess that is current Twitter.

@D2sage ISD found an increase of nearly 70% in Islamic State accounts, during Elon Musk's leadership of Twitter? Where did you get this information, can you link? So, you're now making this 70% of Islamic state accounts, some contributing to the current hate speech within Twitter, as the main contributor to hate speech and no other contributors are a factor? Now Twitter is a smaller private company, serving as a public forum where people can express their views. However, there's more trolling and hate speech and critics during Elon Musk joining and leading Twitter versus prior to Elon Musk joining, the average trolling and hating was moderated much more prior to Elon Musk joining, so why was trolling and hate speech increased far more under Elon Musk? Which are the platforms with greater hate speech and trolling and misinformation than current Twitter? Why are you assuming I'm talking like left wings are saints of some sorts?

@D2sage How does this post: only answer a few points but most not answered all the questions in my post:

@Blackhawk Who are you asking, me or @D2sage? If that question is to me, that's not what I'm asserting that the USA started provoking the war between Ukraine and Russia because the USA, specifically the military complex, corporate businesses and government wants the access to more minerals and fertile soil in Ukraine. What I'm affirming with @D2sage is his point on the geopolitical part as another factor for Russia's interest, not the USA's. There's also birthrate decreases within native Russians, so in Putin's mind and the Russian military, a war of attrition is not viable because over time Ukraine is growing stronger in manpower whilst Russia's human resources are weakening overtime in land warfare terms, so to him there's that factor that may have pressured him into escalating from border wars to invading Ukraine and trying to take Ukraine early while he's army is still relatively strong.

@D2sage 1. So, the tradeoff and cost of delving into one situation, is you get lost in the details of one source, and no longer can be broad and general? 2. Yet, you demand @Leo Gura to delve into details more, which doesn't compute with your claims of 'understanding broad context BUT ALSO scrutinize important points'. So are you trying to lead Leo into unbalancing his time and energy into one issue when he's dealing with multiple issues? 3. Is that because Elon Musk wants to be in control and manage himself who gets to say and post in Twitter, and who doesn't? How does this support his freedom of speech and freedom to say points, especially right wing talking points, when he himself seeks to control other's speeches and wants to moderate their speeches? 4. How do we make informed contributions in discussions, when in Twitter we saw so much more hate speech, trolling and misinformation from right wing under Elon Musk's leadership? Under Elon Musk's guidance, he fired and let off more than 50% of the staff, tries to monetize via blue bird tags, yet the haters and trolls still can impersonate with the blue birds? How can we have a good faith charitable discourse when most are bad faith, uncharitable and troll and hate? How is this a good example of leadership and taking charge when there's much more problems under Elon, especially when he's being indiscriminate with moderating for left wing speech too ? 5. Same as point 4, how can we balance free speech with respect and safety when there's an increasing hate speech and trolling within Twitter under Elon Musk's charge? Mr. Freedom of speech here had to increase moderation of speech when the right wing haters and trolls increased, so how's that a good example? 6. Why are you denying that you're challenging @Leo Gura by calling him a liar? Are you not implying he's full of BS when you complained to him about 'skimming the headlines' and really suggesting him to have deep nuance? 7. Why are you assuming that this forum should be informed debate and argumentations? Why are you trying to challenge the forum guidelines of no debating and arguing here? Do you not see the limitations of arguing and debating of all types? Why should @Leo Gura capitulate to your demands when this is his forum not yours and that since he was a student of philosophy, which involves a lot of arguing, would that make him more experienced over you in terms of knowing the limits of debating? I refuse to be silent and will ask many questions about you to clarify your definitions, reasoning and logic, your assumptions and presumptions, maybe your proof of your various claims, and, your assumptions. After all, by demanding me to be quiet, that gets you a pass to spouting nonsense doesn't it?

@D2sage Seems legit, it's part of the geopolitical power play. In fact, when Ukraine discovered the rich oil deposit in it's region and in the Crimea sea, that was part of Russia's concern because if Ukraine has the resources it could extract those new oil deposits, sell them to the west and maybe east, and fuel it's acceleration to being a sovereign country.

@D2sage What do you mean 'the devil is in the details'? What balance do you suggest to @Leo Gura in balancing broad to nuanced understanding of this issue? Was content moderation the only reason why the second chief of staff resigned? Why wouldn't Musk's labelling of limit the visibility of a video over allegations of mis-gendering by staffs and many people at Twitter as suspicious? Is Elon Musk implying shadow banning? Is he trying to make it much easier for others to troll and hate speech via Mis-gendering? Do you expect @Leo Gura to have enough free time to research past headlines? So, because of shadow banning, and the algorithm not suggesting one's video because of a misleading title, misinformation, hate speech, and Mis-gendering, that makes Twitter staff guilty for what? Moderating content more reasonably than Elon Musk's moderating of content today? How do you know @Leo Gura is BS at you? Why are you assuming he's lying to you? Fair enough explaining the cost of speed reading the headlines and oversimplifying, basing on faulty sources and assumptions, misleading information and incomplete research. However, what's the other tradeoffs and costs of reading too deeply into 1-2 articles? Especially if you're a busy person, do you have enough time, energy, and attention span to spend on deeper and detailed nuanced understanding of 1-2 articles, instead of10-20 articles you skim? Which methods of intaking these articles, skimming the headlines vs deep research, has the more costly tradeoffs here? Is that the only reason why this forum exists: to promote and foster open minded discourse and political discussions?

Guys, enjoy your alcohol while you still have feelings and taste. When you dead, you'll never feel again.

@Blackhawk Do you have explicit proof that @Hardkill has a post that clearly shows he's talking about a conspiracy theory? Which conspiracy theory and which post?

@Hardkill I don't know why, but I'm reminded of some historical event back then. Wasn't there some scandal or some incident in America about this? It could be in another part of the world about a puppeteer government body? I'm not sure about the military forcing the American government, could you elaborate more? Coercion part maybe I agree here, but explanation is still needed.

@Hardkill Probably how you worded your post here: Which assumes America's involvement is only profit driven in this Ukraine/Russia war, and no other factors like geopolitical, ideological, economic, or other reasons besides that. IMO, it could have been a conspiracy theory if you're included the Nord stream pipeline getting blown up because Biden okayed the military decision, which has immense ramifications to the war and could have escalated the situation. At this point that'sconsidered a conspiracy theory as we have no clear evidence yet that verifies that point. From the other user I mean.

@Hardkill Empty threats, don't worry as long as you word it clearly that it isn't a conspiracy theory. Gaslighting tactics at this point.

Nice diss track to Lupe Fiasco but it's just mostly lyrical miracle spiritual mumbo jumbo, still nice but most times I listen I forget it's a diss: However, when Lupe Fiasco responded with his diss track, followed by Mickey Fact's diss too: and Are both IMO master class diss tracks, good rapping and bars and actual layers behind some words and phrases and so many references! I'm willing to bet Royce felt each one and it must hurt.

To be brutally honest, ya'll are sounding like beta male bitches, over complaining about China's negatives and speculating on some of it's positives. Like, what's the timelines we're thinking in? years, decades, maybe centuries? See, if it's decades to centuries that's easily 80% of us in this forum dead by that point, so over worrying about the evils of china, as if evil only exists within China is just fear mongering. Just enjoy what you have right now, and for me it's the Dim Sam and white crackers and rice, watching some dramas play out.

@UnlovingGod I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but one thing I do know, they've got some decent food there! From, won ton soup, to hot and sour soup, to pork choy main, to Dim Sam, man they mostly have nice edibles over there, plus martial arts and tai chi. Not cool with the authoritarian regime there, but Chinese culture is cool, and their teas and their Chinese drama shows.

@Hardkill Of course there's likely possibility for America to profit from this situation. Why would the Nord stream pipeline coincidentally get bombed outta nowhere?

@Leo Gura For now Leo, but the future holds so many possibilities. If neural link is much more successful, who's to stop neural links being mass produced and chipped into citizen's brains?

@D2sage @D2sage, what sage are you smoking? Why are you so lost in the smoke and mirrors? Smokin'aces like a racing killer. It's not hard to see, bar for bar he's cheese- An elongated husk of a white thing turned mushy peas, South African can't pay the Apart-ment-heid You know mushy peas, within his skull capping- Bangers angers angsty Yang, stirs Jackson. A Gnarly Narcissistic white guy, such a tiny Gnat. Nagging nags, snagging Stags, flagging fa**, full of red flags. No disrespect, but I expected less- @D2sage, highlight of the day, one number less nearly D12...shame. Maybe call slaughter house, laugh at her blouse, housing a mouse, Mickey Moussing about. No debate and argumentation, when such a pale white Narcissist billionaire persists to piss with flare, his right wing biased glare, wannabe Mad Max in Rad armour but cantaloupe, twice divorced: One wife one daughter.

@D2sage Both are similarly deep thick with misinformation, hate speech, and culture warfare and ideological rambles and shambles. Just studying history, SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, states of being/becoming, ego development, shadow aspects of the psyche, life experiences and other lines of development from personal to societal domains, and other ideological indoctrination and upbringing from culture, deep biases and preferences, all these developmental factors and more changes the interpretations of these data points to one's bias, and we're still in this fog of war of conflating, disinformation, both siding, distorting facts and data, being uncharitable and bad faith tactics, whilst very little good faith charity. To me, both Twitter and Tik Tok are seriously corrupted and compromised. Tik Tok a bit worse that Tik Tok brain is a thing now.

@D2sage Because of his right wing biases, and especially his billionaire narcissistic showing off, that's why he's hated here I guess. How was Elon Musk buying Twitter a good thing? We still have a shit show, misinformation and fake news, political biases and disgusting censorships and cancelations, but with Elon Musk we have a huge increase in trolling, hating, account impersonations, and right wing bias and shit show added to the mix along with Nationalism/patriotism/ethnocentrism and Nazi talking points in the mix, racism, Fascism, conspiracy theories and so on. How did Elon Musk make it better? Firing 50% or more of the Twitter staff? Trying to profit with the blue ticks? Treating this social media site problem like an engineer? Peddling and encouraging conspiracy theories? Here I might agree, Elon's good comes from Tesla and SpaceX, pushing the electric car and future space innovations. Partly good for the environment, we'll have to see what else he'll do besides electric cars. Biden's team specifically only support Elon Musk with funding for EV charging and alternative fuel, but not for the Twitter thing. Maybe there's more funding that we don't know. Yes, Biden has voiced support for online censorship, and is taking his time to carefully plan out how to do so without disregarding others based on SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, states of being/becoming, ego development, life experiences and other lines of development from life domains to societal domains, other ideological beliefs indoctrinated from culture, and other biases and preferences. Healthy censorship and cancelation is tricky to do quickly because it's not always perfect management of free speech. Meanwhile, Elon Musk, for whatever reason is buying and rushing forward with some vision for Twitter that IMO is not compatible for most other people, he's just playing dictator fantasy at this point.

@Israfil OKAY, OKAY, OKAY! I will take the L on this.? It's just so weird how the messages were written, was it over texts? It's just not how I used to read the words. And since she's British she should, also Tate, communicate a bit better!