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A decent debate, between pro religion versus against religion, nice to see how one side views the other, and how a side debates and argues, although in this case Andrew is yet again very solid in debating: Keep in mind this Skylar Fiction guy on the left, is an atheist, and can't give a solid argument and does the Notsoerudite and Destiny debate tactics of word salad all over the place. I am looking forward to the Andrew vs Matt Dillahunty, and I intuitively feel that Andrew is going to repeat his strategy, of course depending if Matt has an argument or not LOL.?

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Made 9 years ago, and still relevant. Both informative and entertaining. Trigger warning for all involved:

9 years later, and this is still relevant to this day: Both informative and entertaining, this is rap done right.

Holy fuck, this is another synthesis between rap and news, yes it's parody but IMO done well:

@Juan Godzilla minuses 1.

@PurpleTree Yeah that guy! I remember him, watched a VICE video on him, Feminist reporter was so based, the love and compassion lost on her. Total respect for him to be able to be that loving. Israel should learn from him.

@Majed It's because most men on average go for the younger, more fertile females, roughly 18 to 25 years old. Main reason why most developed countries have lower to lowest birthrates, is because the poll for dating potential mates that are young and fertile are low, so men on average will date, have sex and pare bond with whoever is available. That plus hyper secularism and modernism and a lack of commitment to marriage and a family unit, basically way more stage green to orange values, and a decreasing of stage blue values, which leads to higher divorce rates by women on average, also is part of the lower birthrates. I also understand it's a combination problem, such as condoms, pills, vasectomy, lower libido, erectile dysfunction, low testosterone, So poorer countries with higher birthrates don't have the same problems with most developed countries with too much stage green/orange values or too much moral relativism and leftist ideologies, these poorer countries are at stage blue/orange with strong communities and faith in the family unit, unlike those with more fluid identities.

@PurpleTree @Raze To be clear, this has been going on between the Islamic empires and Christian European powers in history, like with the Ottoman empire versus the west, or even before that the Byzantine Empire versus the Ottoman empire.

@Lila9 At least this is more of an argument for Israel than @Scholar's. Unfortunately, what you're doing is hyper focusing on just HAMAs vs Israel, whilat ignoring the build-up of this Israel/Palestinian issues, which are: 1. The systematic oppression by Israel, by first displacing Palestinians from within Israel onto the west bank and to Gaza, so they can build more homes and invite Jews from other countries to inhabit the constructed homes. 2. A mostly Zionist government, mostly lead by ethnocentric statemen, who were racist and religious nationalistic towards Christians and Muslims, who were also elected into power by Israeli people. The same Zionism statesmen that push for a 2 party state not because of democracy, but because they want an ethnostate, a majority Jew to Muslim voting and representation, so whatever policies for Palestinian people are vastly out numbered by Israeli votes. 3. The obvious material challenges to Gaza, and the increasing humanitarian crisis caused by land grabbing Zionist Israelis, happening over 70 years of slow land grabbing by Israel. These material challenges, plus the systemic racism by Israel's onto Palestinians, and a Palestine being a puppet for Israel government, just like what Russia has done to it's satellite countries, is what lead to the formation of HAMAs. 4. Intel provided by Egypt, a week before the HAMAs attack, which for whatever reason Israel ignored. 5. Israel gave Palestinians a warning to leave the buildings 1 hour before their retaliation, to the north, yet Palestinians can't flee north, so what now? By over focusing on HAMAs, and not addressing the long term systemic issue between Israel and Palestine, even if HAMAs gets wiped out, what if Israel doesn't fix it's land grabbing issue, will another terrorist group rise up to pushback on Israel? Also, wiping out HAMAs entails high casualties onto Palestinians, which will likely change political international opinions onto Israel.

@Leo Gura So, in that case, if it's now unavoidable, to minimize the collateral damage, which do you think is likely in the future: Israel losing appeal and international support because of high collateral damage, say for every 1 HAMAs killed, 10 to 100 Palestinian innocents is killed, and high increase of humanitarian issues in west bank/Gaza, or nothing changes in the international stage?

@Anton Rogachevski True, that's all that's needed to be said. So, is Israel finally going to listen and be the bigger man in the room?

@Breakingthewall When you have Israel, and the governing majority body who are ethnocentric Zionists that hate on Christians and Muslims in Israel, elected into being politicians, pushing for a 2 state party ethnostate, I think you should understand and empathize with how Muslims and some Christians in that area feel, getting attacked by alt right Israelis, who again majority are in positions of power.

@lina My solution I'd offer to the UN or the new future order, is to let HAMAs get taken out by Israel, but if Israel keeps on land grabbing and pushing this Zionism ethnostate onto Gaza and Palestinians, do economic sanctions, for any goods imported/exported from Israel to other countries, increase tariffs, and keep introducing other kinds of sanctions until Israel capitulates. Another offer is to lessen or stop migration, by New Yorkers or other citizens that identify as Jews to stop coming to Israel to purchase houses and live in them, and demand Israel to stop building houses by taxing them very high, make those houses extremely expensive in the global market. It's ridiculous, let native Israelis in that land purchase land, and stop advertising Jews from other countries flock to your land to buy houses and other real estate.

@gettoefl Firstly, no proof to support claim's of Trump having no sense of right or wrong, assuming a mental state/=/evidence. Secondly, demonizing selfishness when selfishness was the starting point for all of life, including Robert Deniro, assumes a leader must be altruistic, to protect and lead all, to people he does business with, people who follow him blindly and loyally(another projection), and assume Trump has contempt for them all with no evidence. No, we have evidences for his repercussions of his 'turbulent'(very windy, stormy weather, strong air current, typically to describe air flow when flying on a plane) it's not beyond imagining. Put's whole blame on Trump for a global pandemic out of Trump's control, plus projecting a bunch of negative labels like abusive father with zero proof. Just a whole bunch of projections and word salads, lots of ethos appealing with some pathos and logos, slings a bunch of fallacies, yet Robert Deniro is similar to Trump, in fact the attacks on Trump could easily mirror onto him, so good job, smart move bad mouthing Trump especially when he's getting kicked down left and right by the legal system, brave move critiquing a man getting beaten down. Okay then, let's talk about it Trump, what do you say for all Americans and to your blind enemies?

@zurew Thanks for sharing a good arguer. So far seems to me he's really good with rhetoric and debating, an also very knowledgeable and knows philosophy.

Journalist doing GOD's work:

@Alex M Are debates really a distraction, when your English language, and many other western domains, are founded upon oratory debates that date back to the times of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, and Archimedes? Also, the definitions for debate is: 1. To assert, claim, and statements using corroborated evidence to support your claims. 2. To express different ideas, and exchange ideas in dialogue with opposing and differing points of view, even if in some cases it's a heated debate.

@Alex M Do you have any high quality debate to share in this thread?

While Tristen was massively interrupting Destiny and is derailing the debate left and right, he's right that GOD has to be the metaphysical and epistemic grounding.

@DocWatts Exactly my point against this google scholar, both siding Israel/Palestinian conflict, ignores the power dynamics and asymmetrical power differences that let Israel abuse Palestinians and oppress them via Zionism ethnostate pursuit. Again, sometimes nuance bro and agnostics has it's place and time referencing Spiral Dynamics as another pivoting Gish galloping to avoid and distract from the real and local issue of the Palestine/Israel conflict, but not when it's clear one place is more powerful than another and abuses their power.

@Scholar My position is better than you Gish galloping to nuance bro, at least I lean to support Palestinians over Israel oppressing them, meanwhile you fake centrism and agnosticism, which results in both siding fallacy between Israel/Palestine when it's clear Israel is at fault for creating this mess in the first place. There are times to play I don't know and be agnostic, but there are times when that can and does enable oppression, google scholar.

@Scholar Protest in such a way that doesn't put pressure on Israel to stop it's Zionism expansion onto Palestinian territory because that's anti Semitic? What if all peaceful protesting isn't moving Israel's interest and hegemony to occupy all of Palestine, into seeking diplomacy? What's left for Palestinians to do when Israel is actively oppressing Palestinians in Gaza and west bank?

@Scholar So don't protest against humanitarian issues, and not argue against Israel?