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@Nivsch Really? That seemed more like fake John Aziz cutting Badempanada far more, and his tone is emotional bitchy and defensive. BadEmpanada is the level headed one.

@Princess Arabia I partly agree, and think it's more natural and less deviancy that animals don't discriminate on similar levels to humans, just as how Tasmanian Devils and desert chameleons don't discriminate if their mating ritual is gentle or rough, or from a human perspective, rape.

@Scholar The point I'm missing is OP asking why heterosexuality is natural, and homosexuality a deviancy? Is it bigotry to inquire about why one thing is natural and another thing a deviancy? But homo sapiens are also an animal too, similar to birds being animals. Why would incest be irrelevant due to naturalistic fallacy instead of species difference? Why draw that line at naturalistic fallacy instead of species? This is very similar to Big Foot reports, of psychological distancing, claiming they saw a bear or some other monkey, but not a primate superior to humans in more wilder terrain?

@Scholar We're getting baited? Let's assume OP also brought up incest, so is incest natural and a deviation? Given the Rapid Evolution theory, when scientists observed birds with low population in an Island, inbreeding was the norm in that Island, until a few generations later mutations occurred that triggered diversity in that bird species that increased with each generation past, yet in the 2nd and 1st generation sexual reproduction was in that family of birds, so is incest natural design or a deviancy in nature? If incest is true and natural in parts of nature, in different species, then why do homo sapiens have this moral intuitionism of moral qualms with sexual behaviors between siblings or even parents to older siblings? Not just physical, but even in sexual fantasy and sex thoughts that involved family members?

@Devin What do you mean both are obviously natural, and nature just means expected? Did OP exactly mean more natural, the 'god's plan', by design? Or are you assuming what OP meant?

@numbersinarow What's the problem with BadEmpanada thinking he could bring up the Srebrenica example of retaliation against muslims being called genocide? Is it a problem for him to draw a comparison between what Israel is doing to Apartheid in South Africa? What source is comprised of liars and snakes? The UN?

@Nivsch Why wouldn't it be brainwashing and indoctrination from Zionists? Or thought for himself? Made his own decisions? Look at his tonality, word choices, and body language, and tell me if that's a level headed, independently thinking person with their own opinions they formulated from research and critical thinking, and not just a codependent thinker, depending on talking points by Zionists: Something's wrong when you had a person from Palestinian family disappear, then appears in BadEmpanada's video claiming pro Israel.

@Devin If you want separate the social aspect, fine, but then if you do so then you cannot answer why homosexuals want sex with same sex partners primarily because to masturbate the masturbator needs a sexual object to sexually gratify themselves, AKA PMO(pornography, masturbation and orgasm). The masturbator can have sexual fantasies involving basically their sexual attraction, without having real sex. The attraction of masturbation is to stimulate oneself towards orgasm. Heterosexuals can masturbate to a sexual fantasy involving the opposite sex. HOW ARE THE THREE THE SAME?! You have now expanded the category here, so it's not just category error, but conflation of the three together! And of course it changes at the social level, because some who chose to masturbate in social settings, act like peeping toms, or at orgy parties, obviously the masturbation will change with the social setting! But how is that an argument for whether homosexuality or heterosexuality is natural???

@Devin Because in male sex biology the penis head has many nerve endings that when physically stimulated results in an erection, which then from further stimulation sends signals to the brain that this is pleasure, which then reinforces further stimulation of erect penis, until eventually leading to ejaculation of seminal fluids and sperm and orgasm and climax, followed by other bio chemical triggers afterwards for relaxation. Because of the nerve endings and stimulation, and the brain remembering that orgasm and rewarding it, is why masturbation occurs in males and in females. Also P-M-O, an acronym for pornography, masturbation and orgasm, which mostly means that masturbators masturbate to porn material, porn vids, porn mags, erotica, or other erotic images/words, even the sexual fantasy in their minds of what they're sexually attracted to, from homosexual to heterosexual fantasies. I see a difference between the two primary attractions of many men 'attracted' to sex with women primarily and secondly to relationships although this generalization need clarifying from you, and I see this could be no different to his attraction to manual stroking of his penis, but I think you deeply misunderstand these two primary differences yourself. Again you are conflating and making a category error, now between sexual attraction to opposite sex and sexual intercourse between a male and female, and confusing that with masturbation. Again, as I stated, masturbators can pleasure themselves, and be pleasured by their sex partners.

@Nivsch Why is it a great video? The most interesting thing is a pro Israeli is a Palestinian, and not how he was brainwashed by Zionism to be pro Israeli??? Now, if you did listened to it ALL, then list ALL the timestamps when he made such reasonable claims, and if you can't list ALL OF THEM, and miss just one, then why claim he's being so reasonable? The interviewer BadEmpanada, or the interviewee John Aziz who's the one being impulsive? Also BadEmpanada has this to say about John Aziz: 'I've been contacted by members of John Aziz's family. He claims to be a Palestinian who represents Palestinians. But he's barely seen them since he was 5 years old. They tried many times to reach out & include him, he was never interested. They are shocked to see that he advocates for Zionism now. While they think everyone has the right to their opinion, they are angry that he claims to be Palestinian while doing so. The truth: John has visited the West Bank one time, and visited his father's family in the USA a couple of times. That's it. Far, far from what he claimed in his article for The Atlantic, where he painted himself as fluently bicultural, and lied about visiting the West Bank multiple times and spending every Christmas with his Palestinian family in California. John does not speak Arabic. He does not know anything about Palestinian culture nor is he involved or immersed in it. He does not know any other Palestinians nor interact with any. Here is what one family member had to say about him being "Palestinian": "John does not speak Arabic at all as far as I know. He had very limited contact with his dad. He only visited Palestine for days when he was 4. His formative upbringing did not include any palestinian elements. No language, no songs, do stories, no food, no communication with family, no living experience in Palestine. He is totally disconnected from the Palestinian experience, culture, life, communication, history, struggle etc. He has zero Pslestinian immersive experience. He never took any active measure to have such an experience despite the continuous urging and welcoming of his Palestine family. Never actively communicated with his Palestinian side of family. Never called, never participated in major happy or sad social events, was never there. Even though his cousins were always trying to contact him and engage him via social media like Facebook, he was never keen in having a deep humane relationship with them. That all is understood and is his full right. Many people of Palestinian origin or ancestry lose contacts with motherland, as it happens with all nations and ethnicities. That's perfectly normal. But for John to claim suddenly discover his non-existent Polynesian half, and suddenly transforms onto a Palestinian speaking as a Palestinian voice on the Palestinian trauma and struggle from the platform of being a Palestinian is a deceptive thing, to say the least." John Aziz (his real name is not Aziz, I don't know why he calls himself that) saw an opportunity on October 7th to gain fame and fortune by claiming to be a Palestinian while advocating for Israel. Obviously Zionists lapped this up, they are always looking for traitors. But his claims to be Palestinian are spurious and based off nothing but ancestry. That he even mentions that as if he had anything resembling a Palestinian life or experience is laughable. And it's only due to that lack of experience that he can be so callous & selfish. In doing this, John Aziz is even slandering his father. In the Atlanic article, he paints his father negatively, as someone who wanted one state with the expulsion of all Israelis. This is weird, since John Aziz barely knew his father. He basically invented a false history. John's father is dead. He cannot defend himself. But one of his family member's who knew him well had this to say about him: "The other minor point that deeply troubles and hurts me is his mentioning that his dad has advicated for the destruction of Israel. This is very untrue. Indeed it is very sad and pathetic too. I have known Adil for so many years and had thousands of hours of discussions with him on all issues of life. On the Palestinian issue he was very passionste and committed to the rights of his people, but he was pragmatic and humane. He never advicated to the destruction of Israel or the Jewish people in Israel/Palestine. His stance was that the Palestinians have right to freedom in their homeland. In particular, Adil was anti Muslim Brotherhood and anti Hamas all the time. He criticized their ideology and tactics, specially targetting civilians. For John to say that about his dad, when his dad is away and can not defend himself, is both very hurtful and injust. It is either he really did not know what his dad's lifelong position was, or he is simply saying things to cast himself as the Palestinian son who rebelled against his dad's genocidal doctrine." All in all, John Aziz is a massive fraud, and his relatives are taking notice. The Atlantic should unpublish his article and issue a formal apology for not fact checking his story. John Aziz's twitter account is @aziz0nomics. It has gained tens of thousands of followers in just the two months since Oct 7, purely off this "I am Palestinian and I support Israel" grift. Disgusting that he lies about himself for self benefit like this. In summary: When John's family in Jenin were asked about him, their response was "Who is John?"'

@Devin Sure, I partly agree that homo in homosexuality as compared to heterosexuality, means same, homogenous. The same person performing a sex act upon themselves, masturbation, is more homogenous homosexual needs elaboration. Firstly hetero, in heterosexuality as opposed to homosexuality, means attraction to the opposite sex, means diverse in content, heterogenous. This includes the same person performing a sex act upon themselves, but also includes a different person performing a sex act upon themselves, like a couple masturbating each other, to a person masturbating to the opposite sex, not just the same sex. If you consider a man giving a hand job to his penis, and a woman giving a hand job to her clitoris, is categorically homosexual, then that category is small in range. You didn't include the object of sexual attraction that triggers one's arousal to initiate masturbation, which isn't limited to same sex but rather can include the opposite sex, hence a heterosexual male/female can masturbate to their opposite sex they're sexually attracted to. You attempting to make masturbation equivalent to homosexuality is a category error and a false equivalency, without knowing that heterosexuality and masturbation are also compatible, as heterogenous means diverse in content, means that you can masturbate to any diverse in content sexual objects, including but not limited to same sex, but also including heterosexuality and attractions to the opposite sex.

@Dodo It's an old thread, and you didn't want to revive the thread even when you had an interest in talking about it, why wait for this long? Leo says bitcoin is worth it even if it's a gamble, and puts other coins away. Why is another man's money and how he invests it your main disagreement when it's their money, not yours? First movers? Crypto? Blockchains? Ethereum? Bitcoin is bitcoin, but rest of market is intriguing is enough justification to invest, even when there's little security between the payer and the receiver of those bitcoins? What do you disagree with @Leo Gura's second point of not mixing art with investing? Is it because of cryptocurrencies around NFT(non-fungible tokens)? If it's about NFTs and crypto, well that field is highly susceptible to scams, swindles, grifts, cons and frauds, meanwhile NFTs have very little value outside of cryptocurrency. Why do you conclude that cryptocurrency is not riddled with scams, behaves technical, to solve a myriad of problems, more options than bitcoin?

@CARDOZZO I don't think it's a wild conversation between stage yellow thinkers, seems very intellectual and calm. Misleading framing.

@Devin How is masturbation categorically more homosexual than homosexuality? How is more people masturbated than hetero sex makes homosexuality normal? Okay, there are a lot of Asexual organisms like plants and bacteria that can self replicate, not history but throughout evolution, but why include Adam from the bible, which out of nowhere and is irrelevant to this thread? How does all of that make heterosexuality a deviance? Firstly, masturbation is the act of pleasuring oneself via hands stroking the pleasure spots of your sex organ, for males it's penis head and shaft, and for female bodies it's the clitoris, the lips and breasts. Obviously both male and female bodies will have different to similar erogenous zones for pleasuring oneself. I don't think masturbation is categorically homosexuality, I think it's a category error you just did, conflating same sexual acts with self sexual pleasure acts. Opposite sex partners can also masturbate each other as well, not just same sex.

@UnbornTao Sure, what is natural is sex drive, sexual attraction, and sex biology and dimorphism between male and female bodies. Yes, heterosexuality is the norm and average throughout current times to history, and that homosexuality, same sex, asexuality, and other kinks/fetishes are fringes to the norm and average, the exceptions. Main problem is most people think exceptions make the rule, but most cases exceptions don't make the rule. And it's a fact that most cases of STD and HIV are more correlated to homosexuality when partners had sexual relations with each other, or when there's an open relationship with other same sex partners. So if heterosexuality is natural, and it also is natural for an increase in STDs and HIV in same sex, does that make any feelings of fear natural of those that could spread HIV or STDs?

@Merkabah Star Is it really the case that deviance implies bad? Why is deviance bad? It's similar to deviation, and deviations exists in many things in nature and even in man made objects, in history and in evolution many types of mutations would be considered deviations which end up being good. P.S, you are adorable.

@bebotalk Okay then, we'll agree to disagree and leave this post as that. Have a nice day.

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@bebotalk Why would you assume the person writing this post, or the tweet, is unschooled in terms of contemporary geopolitical trends? What do you mean 19-century thinking? What do you mean economic pioneers don't exist, across the countries you listed? Is Elon Musk, Jeff Bazos, the Sackler family, are not examples of economic pioneers? What about Bruce Lee, who studied Wing Chun partly in China, migrated to the USA, to then study many different martial arts with some philosophy, then created JKD, which now the USA military and Navy Seals use for hand to hand combat, and the UFC took that MMA concept as a business modal, is this not an example? Labor shortages and other reasons, including the death toll of WW1 and WW2 of such countries that needed to replenish their population? People are free to live as they choose, generally, in liberal democracies, which means migrants are free to assault and rape it's nation's citizens with little legal ramification, theft, gang violence, for example Sweden, as they choose? Who can stop them, without violating the rights that are central to such countries' existence and morals? The police? Armed citizens protecting their body? Harsher sentencing? The main problem is not whether economic migrants contribute to a society, it's not making the distinctions between economic migrants that really want to integrate to the country/nation's identity and culture, be nationalists, from immigrants with stage red values, that are egotistical and want money and benefits at the cost of other citizen's well being and happiness, form gang cultures and cartels and mafias, at the cost of harming the native citizens of a country, such as Sweden. How can Sweden distinguish economic migrants with stage blue and orange values, with higher cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, and 9 stages of ego development of conformist stage, other lines of development and ideological beliefs, from migrants with stage red/purple values, with lower cognitive and lower moral development, at ego stage impulsive to opportunist, with more negative personality types/traits manifested negatively, and consciousness lower such that they feel little moral qualms with harming others for their gain? Birthrates are falling from a number of combinatory issues, from females increasingly getting more hyper individualistic, more goal and careers orientated, from getting indoctrinated to have a male centric worldview, to being trained to demonize and dehumanize males from Feminists. Feminism as an ideology cannot stand in it's own merits, but has to also borrow from civil rights movements and parasite off of those movements and communism. Feminism indoctrinates some of the women to think like that, and to value less femininity, motherhood, family raising and the traditional female gender roles. As a result of neoliberalism and capitalism ideology, women are trending to take careers over being wives and raising children, and due to stage orange PUA culture and sexual liberation movements, they feel less shame, less restraint, and less human decency in exposing more and more of their skin, and feeling they can just short term date many men, which makes them have increase in committment to a long term partner, and being indoctrinated with unrealistic expectations of their male partners due to them being so careers orientated that they cannot settle down. Plus, no fault divorce is contributing to the higher divorce rates, and broken homes of the nuclear family, separating children and making them experience the fallout of a divorce and custody battles between husband and wife, having to visit each one, and giving them a bad impression of family relationship dynamics which effects them later on in their adult life. Egalitarianism and Feminism have contributed to the birthrate decline, just look at South Korea and Japan, westernized and secular countries from America. I also will add that nutritional deficiency from industrialized farming of agriculture, farming of say potatoes, tomatoes, other vegetables that are GMO and have sprayed pesticides because at mass scale companies cannot afford using more organic and natural means to pest control crops and those contaminate the soil removing trace minerals and vitamins for further plant growth, as well as industrial animal farms like raising cows, pigs, sheep, chickens, turkeys, some horses, even goats and lambs for consumption or for other production of products, they are given many chemical injections, to bad conditions which makes them produce cortisol too much which leads to illnesses and weakened bodies, which then get slaughtered and consumed at mass scale. I really don't see why you're misrepresenting, straw manning, and bad faith tactics this person's writing: 'This "post" is based on a very black-and-white and frankly antiquated rationale. It labels all immigrants as "bad" and lacks critical nuance, and is a view from an ivory tower. I get the suspicion that some American conservative wrote this - they often tend to be anachronistic and hold hard refusals to see real details or the bigger picture.' 'I wonder if the person who wrote this piece knows economic migrants. If so, then they might note the nuances involved. I get the feeling that s/he is probably some white, middle-aged, American from the South or Mid-West who lives in a very white community and is outraged from a very conservative/GOP angle.' As him/her having a certain self bias and preference, a certain political and religious worldview, some ideological beliefs which makes them have a simplistic notion of immigrants, when said person already established 3 types of immigrants in his post?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=710549341136558 Seems he's right and genuine about his feelings with Israel/Palestine, as well as his take on Elon Musk and Lex Fridman.

Pretty good analysis of Elon Musk interview with James from BBC:

An interesting take by Max Karson, AKA Mr. Girl, and his take on the Israel/Palestine conflict, Elon Musk's comment and a bit on Lex Fridman. I am going to analyze his body language and tonality to see if he's genuine or not, or if there's any stress or not: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=710549341136558