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So if people associate a male orgasm with some kind of wasted life force and loss of inner energy what do the no fappers do if they are in a relationship with someone that involves sex? Or if your partner faps you to orgasm during foreplay? Is that forbidden?

No disrespect Aaron but Nahm could be onto something here and it doesn't involve eggs Powerful quote there Nahm. I had a bit of a meltdown at work today and your quote has come at the right time for me

Now that you've mentioned a colour (blue) this will morph into a dialogue about Spiral Dynamics And in terms of recent posts, where it gets tricky is trying to create a clear distinction between direct experience and beliefs, because most "direct" experiences will still be filtered through a belief system! Crazy mind fuckery.

Thanks for all this Aaron. Have put down a follow to this thread so I can come back to it and digest the good food you offering up! Wanna hear something crazy. When I was younger (and I'm not talking 7 yrs old, later than that if I am honest), I used to think Celtic and Rangers fans clashed because Celtic fans believed in God and Rangers fans didn't. I always thought protestant meant not religious lol !!! When I found out both sets of fans were Christian, I thought "what the fuck you fighting about?", then of course I realised it's not that simple. People blame religion for wars and conflict, but if religion didn't exist I am sure the human nature would find something else to kill over. Human beings start wars, not religion.

Yes, I second that.

No worries, for what it's worth I am around and so are the others on here. Life is tough. Too tough at times. It can push us to the limit. Most of us on here have survived something or a series of things. Otherwise we wouldn't be here. Speak soon.

I will give you 48 hours, no more! Just kidding. Any time, even if not, don't worry. Don't want to distract you from your purpose with the journal.

Leo can't talk about it. No one can On a serious note I need to watch that film again, as it was years ago I watched it and watched it as an "action film" LOL, therefore completely missing the whole point of the film I think!

I think it might well be that one. Thanks. I liked the calm, chilled demeanor. Interesting to me, as I've only recently fallen in love with the Bible.

Where's that video you did. The one in the sunglasses? Can't find it anywhere?

Nice clip of Lady Gaga there. I myself and have been on mental health medication more than I've been off it over the years. Miss India, sorry to intrude. But randomly, I was wondering what the top 3 or top 5 or even top 10 most powerful spiritual books you have read are? Spiritual/Self-Help, whatever has helped you in your journey, or given you powerful insights etc.

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. For now, lean not on your own understanding. So, you need to shift the goalposts and realign what you think is important, to what actually is important. You adopt spiritual principles, and move away from "me, me, me" and work on "self-forgetting" more. You get out of your own head, and out of your own way. You make a decision to stop denying yourself peace of mind. You don't need to feel inadequate, because actually you realise that you are not that important. You become a worker among workers. You cannot be defeated, because you have already defeated yourself and surrendered. You set spiritual values and live by them. It's hard. Takes practice and commitment. Then, being inadequate doesn't matter, even if it's true. You learn exactly who you are. For it is by self forgetting, that one finds. You feel inadequate? You have done it to yourself, and can undo it. Would it make you a happier person to be better than a co-worker? How happier? 1% ???? If you realigned your values and stuck to your own Truth and lived by spiritual principles? How much happier? More than 1% happier I am sure.

Hi. Mostly Good News Bible (NLT) but sometimes I used either NIV or KJV for some versus. I have my own journal so don't want to hijack this one or distract Tsuki ?

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Happy to interact with anyone who wants to. Happy to receive suggestions and feedback. But what I will do is acknowledge them on here and then reply to you via private message. Doing it this way will keep the journal on point and not overly conversational. Genuinely do want interaction! Goals of the Journal To provide a written account of the progress, or lack of, in addressing the difficulties To help promote a deeper connection with forum members To help others, and to be helped by others Methods One post per day minimum to foster routine and habit Constant, daily references to self-help and spiritual material. A mixture of books, quotes, YouTube, and music will form the bedrock of this journal. I will highlight the source material and describe my understanding of how it relates to me, and my efforts to integrate the source material into my ongoing recovery Shadow Work Values Work Big Picture Issues (all the below three of course overlap) Discipline Values alignment Interpersonal List of Difficulties the Journal will focus on Discipline & Self-Care Nutrition Exercise Sleep Meditation & Prayer Attention & Concentration Action Values alignment Engaging in character assassination Selfishness Entitlement Blaming Punishing Not admitting I've done the same thing Expecting others to be what they are not Avoidance Interpersonal Not being open and honest, expecting others to “read between the lines” Intolerance Impatience Not admitting when I was at fault and/or saying sorry Acting superior At the route of everything listed above is FEAR

I think my opinion on God is quite fluid and dynamic at the moment. I think my opinion is still forming. I only really considered the possibility of God as of October 2018 so that's only about 15 months ago. 43 years of no opinion on God and now 15 months of mostly beautiful sensory overload about God. Where I am at with it is a different perspective than many on this forum. I've also realised that it's okay to have a God of your understanding that is different to the God of someone else's understanding. I feel God is in me. He is part of me but that I am not God. He is not sitting in the clouds with a big grey beard. That much I know. But then again what do I know about God? I don't pretend to know anything for sure? How could I? How could I be so arrogant as to think I have it sussed out what or who God is? That I have some how hacked into the system and resolved it all. What folly that is. I do know I am still suffering more than I need to. But, I don't feel alone anymore. I feel like I am in a wonderful new love affair with God. The Bible makes sense to me. It is my map. Preachers are right. Well the ones i listen to are. God speaks through them to me. I used to think preachers were insane. Some might be. But there is gold to be had my friend. Gold.

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I actually found it quite empowering when I realised I was often stuck in victim mentality. It can help you realise that the world doesn't revolve around you, the world doesn't owe you a favour and that you are not that important at the end of the day. Painful, but necessary things to realise. Bringing up the question of victim mentality and encouraging the sufferer to consider that, is not necessarily the opposite or even contradicting of compassion and empathy. The exception to this is if your human rights have been clearly breached. I wouldn't sit down with a rape victim or the victim of any crime really and even remotely suggest victim mentality is at play. Human rights been clearly breached? Most likely you are actually a real victim Human rights not been breached? Just consider you might be exaggerating your role as a victim, that's all.

Would be interested on your take of the Bible, although I've only read a small bit of it thus far.

Or do if before you awaken.

Now this could get me shot down in flames here, so don't shoot the messengers ladies, but I am sure I read something once along the lines that to a degree, women forget or blank out how painful their previous labour was, otherwise no woman would ever have more than one child. I was wondering if that works with the fear of death, that maybe we have been wired to not worry 24/7 about it, because if we did, nothing would get achieved and the world would be an even bigger mental hospital than it already is

I wasn't thinking about it until now so thanks LOL Sad as it is, when I've been at my worst mentally I used to think to myself "God, give me the cancer and not someone else" so I could be dying and it wouldn't be my fault (i.e. not suicide) - I don't mean to sound flippant to cancer sufferers, my mother died a horrible death with lung cancer but these are intrusive thoughts I kept having that cancer would be a way out without the shame on my family of a suicide Since life has got better, I don't think like this. I've always been baffled how the anxious mind works, as you probably know I have a history of anxiety disorder but have never really worried about dying and it's never kept me up at night. A million trivial things has caused me to worry myself into insomnia, but not dying. Always found that strange. More people probably spend their days, weeks, and years in a state of panic about losing their job or their wife cheating on them, or their neighbour trimming the hedge excessively, but they don't give a second thought to the fact they are soon to be dead in the grand scheme of things I mean we are all literally dying physically. 120 years from now, all the 7 billion odd people that are here now will be 6 feet under or cremated. That's weird to think. Just think in 120 years no one will be alive that's alive now (probably).

@Meetjoeblack Good post mate. I actually looked through some of the other posts you made and saw you writing about "what's the alternative" and it makes sense. I always have to be mindful of my own shadow though. I'm shit at approaching girls, and genuinely don't mind going long stretches without a relationship and the older I've got the happier I am during these single phases (or so I tell myself). I've had some bad experiences in relationships as well, and know full well the grass is not necessarily greener on the other side (being in a relationship), depends on where my head is at, and where her head is at. When I'm in devilry mode I think I judge pick-up and game as sad but when I am in truth mode to myself I probably just envy people that can do that kind of thing, although I actually don't care for one off sex, that need seemed to leave me a good few years ago. I don't have the incentive to sleep with a stranger as a one off. I'd never thought I'd say that. I'd rather Fap to porn as sad as that sounds. I'm actually hoping the next time I have sex it is with my future soul mate! I had a relationship recently and she wanted to continue just on the basis of sex. Great body, younger than me, pretty, always in the gym, but the conversation was terrible. When I was younger I wouldn't give a shit about the lack of meaningful connection and I'd just take the sex, but now it's different and I am not saying I am better than anyone for that or putting myself on a pedestal or anything. It just is what it is.

I hate the term game, but I know it's only a word. It just makes me cringe. However, that's a powerful bit of content that what I've quoted. Reminds me of the saying "we don't love people, we love how they make us feel" or something like that... anyway, got me thinking.