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Never Kill Yourself For Any Reason
Never Kill Yourself For Any ReasonIt does little good for someone who is suffering to tell them that suffering isn't real. They are in no place to care about such distinctions.
You also have no idea how much suffering they are in. You assume they can enjoy life like you, but if they seriously want to kill themselves then obviously they do not enjoy life like you. So it's a very difficult situation.
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Never Kill Yourself For Any Reason
Never Kill Yourself For Any ReasonPre-rational >> rational >> trans-rational
Trans-rational it NOT irrational.
Be careful with this classic pre/trans fallacy.
Genuine spirituality is more than rational. Consciousness makes you more intelligent, not less.
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Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(
Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(Jumping off a bridge is not fucking mahasamadhi ?? This is not a “conscious death” where one is entering a very powerful state of samadhi and transcends the traces of karmic bonds (which, even that is debatable). This is just suicide and a very irresponsible one at that as a result of needlessly confusing psychedelic states of mind with actual truth. That’s all that is. A reckless abandonment fueled by utter delusion.
Best wishes to his wife and 2 kids.
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Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(
Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(@SoonHei To his sister, thank you for replying and confirming his death. As of now, I am inclined to believe you that it is true. Although I have no further proof of it. I'm sorry for your loss and I understand it is confusing why a spiritual and happy person would do such a gratuitous thing.
There is nothing spiritual about jumping off a bridge. It's clear from his messages that he understood his dream would end. So that's exactly what happens. The dream of life ends. The dream of life is a beautiful gift and ending it prematurely for no good reason (such as extreme suffering) is a ridiculously unnecessary thing to do. Life is meant to be lived out, not ended prematurely. Spiritual awakening can be had here and now, without need of any physical harm to the body. That is the entire point of spiritual work and practice. If jumping off a bridge was valid spiritual practice, then there wouldn't need to be any teachings. The teaching would just be: go jump off a bridge. And obviously no spiritual person teaches that.
It frustrates me when people misuse spiritual teachings in such gross and obvious ways.
Connor is mentally ill, batshit crazy, and has no integrity. Do not associate my teachings with Connor in any way. He broke everything I told him and I warned him about. I warned him back in December 2020 by phone that what he was doing was antithetical to my teachings. The things he was doing went against the core of what I teach and warned about in my Become A Zen Devil video, and many other videos. He was chronically abusing psychedelics in ways that I warned against from day 1 in my video: How To Use Psychedelics For Personal Development, and elsewhere. He also lied to me multiple times. He lied to me about his chronic psychedelic use, he lied about mental illness, and more.
You need to distinguish between what is true and what is convenient from a social POV.
It is true that everything is Good and Love. This truth make zero prescriptive claims. It does not justify anything and it does not tell you what you should or shouldn't do.
Do not frame this situation such that speaking truth is discouraged or impossible. Myself and others are not going to lie about what is true just because someone might jump off a bridge. The idea that reality is a dream/illusion has been spoke of by mystics and sages for thousands of years, and this understanding is commonly available to anyone who reads spiritual literature. Do not act like Actualized.org invented this notion. All of the spiritual masters you revere and love: Ramana Maharishi, Eckhart Tolle, and whoever else -- have told you that reality is an illusion/dream.
Again, this is absolutely true. This is what serious spirituality claims. But it makes no prescriptive claims.
It is not like Actualized.org is the first to say that reality is Perfection. This has been said by spiritual teachers and mystics across time.
In all of my work I have never acted like relative truths and social issues are unimportant. In fact, I embody the opposite. I speak about Conscious Politics so much because relative social issues are very important. Nobody following my work should get the idea that a healthy society is unimportant or that criminality or doing suffering to others is acceptable.
This is so obvious that to even shoot a video stating so would be seen as needlessly obvious. Do I really need to release a video in which I say: "Being a criminal is not good and you should not harm other people? Do not rape or torture others. Do not jump off a bridge." Would anyone who was serious about criminality, rape, torture, or jumping off a bridge watch such a video and listen to it? You see, this is a game that cannot be won.
Also, much of my work is not about spirituality but personal development, building a good life, being active in life, living a life purpose, and improving your health. I have never discounted the importance of building a good life, even as I talked about awakening and God and so forth. In fact I have warned against using spirituality as an escape from mastering survival. I talk about the importance of building a Stage Blue foundation.
But in the end, if someone decides that they don't want to play the game of survival any more and just want to rest with God, who are we to stop them? From our POV that seems foolish and unnecessary, but if a spiritual seeker wants to end his dream, that is his right and I will not invent some fantasy for why he is morally wrong in doing so. He is not wrong. I would just tell him not to do it because life is a precious gift and ought to be enjoyed, not escaped.
A) Truth, consciousness, and awakening are not philosophies. And it has been stated ad nausea not to take them as beliefs or philosophy. The dangers of ideology have been explained by me perhaps more than any other spiritual teacher. All I do is talk about the dangers of ideology.
B) Great detail is put into the teachings/videos to explain how self-deceptive the ego-mind is, how selfish it is, how many traps in this work there are, and further elaborations.
The fact is that the ego-mind will use whatever stories it wants to justify its selfish actions. If someone wants to blow themselves up for Jihad, they will find a way to justify it in their minds. My work goes into so much length about the ease with which the ego-mind will justify selfish activity and corrupt and co-opt spiritual truths.
In the case of Jihad, I specifically teach about the difference between Lesser Jihad and Greater Jihad.
There is no contradiction at all.
It is simply true that everything is Good and Perfect. This is what awakening reveals. But how you behave has consequences and there are relative truths. If you stick your hand in a fire, it will burn.
What Connor did was "bad" only in a relative sense, from a social POV. There is no contradiction here.
It's not that I tell him whatever fits my agenda. It's that his ego-mind says whatever it wants to justify however it wants to behave. And this is have taught a lot: that your own mind will trick you and justify whatever selfishness is wants without limit.
I also teach how there are many POVs and perspectives, absolute and relative, and that absolute and relative should be not be conflated.
It is simply true that reality is a dream. I will say this and teach this whether you decide to torture someone or not. If you decide to torture someone, those consequence are 100% on you, even though its all a dream. Dreams have consequences.
It is important to give people warnings about misunderstanding the teachings. And will certainly do more of that in the future, as I have in the past. BUT, all spiritual work has inherent risks, especially when done at mass scale, this is unavoidable and such teachings cannot be made fool-proof. I have also said that many times in the past. No matter what is taught about spirituality, there will always come along some fool, mentally ill person, or criminal who takes the teaching and uses to justify whatever selfish action he wants.
When Eckhart Tolle teaches something, "Just be in the now", some fool somewhere will take that to mean, "I can just off a cliff and just be in the now and things should go okay for me". Or when some Christian mystic says, "God forgives all sins and doesn't judge you", some criminal will take that to mean, "Okay, so if I kill my neighbor God will just forgive me and there will be on consequences."
Where does it end? How many disclaimers and warnings must be given? The problem is that an ego-mind who is self-deceived will not be interested in any warnings or disclaimers or even reason. Meanwhile reasonable people will find the disclaimers tedious and so obvious as to be unnecessary. The mind has an infinite capacity for denial and it will do whatever it wants to do. We should take measure to prevent genuine misunderstanding of the teachings by reasonable and well-rounded people, but we cannot foolproof this work against people who are criminal, insane, or simply desire to end their life.
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I want to make it clear that I take this issue seriously and I am not just here to issue some blanket, self-serving defense. I want to make my teachings safe for all reasonable people, and I want to make clear to people the inherent risks of spiritual work. I have done that in the past in my videos, but I am also interested in being even more clear and explicit about it in the future precisely because the relative social consequences have always mattered to me, and my teachings are meant to reduce suffering and selfishness in the world. It disappoints and frustrates me when spiritual teachings are corrupted or misused, and when spirituality or psychedelics are given a bad name by irresponsible people. But the fact is that corruption and misuse of spiritual teachings is not anything new or unique to Actualized.org. Mankind has been corrupting and abusing spiritual teachings for 2000 year. And that is not going to stop in our lifetimes. But that is not a reason to stop teaching. But I will definitely teach with greater care to preempt misinterpretation as much as possible. It's just not easy to anticipate every possible misinterpretation. It never even crossed my mind that someone would decide to "consciously jump off a bridge". It's hard to even take such an action seriously unless after it occurs.
I have said in the past that my teachings will be corrupted. Because that's what the mind does. And this will not be the last time my teachings are corrupted. The reason I record long videos is to provide sufficient depth and detail to avoid future corruption. But the nature of the beast is such that people will still find ways to corrupt my teachings and the longer the videos, the more excuse they will have to say, "But your videos are too long, so I didn't watch them." I have never been under any illusions that my teachers will be corrupted by some minds. That is how this works. I have videos explaining why this corruption is inevitable.
But again, this is not an excuse. I will adjust my teachings to make them clearer and more foolproof in the future.
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A final important point:
Let us not overlook that there is the possibility that SoonHei made a sober, conscious, sovereign choice to end his dream. In which case, as much as we might disagree or not like that, that is really not our call. And it is not correct to automatically assume that what he did was wrong or delusional. It could have been delusional, but it also could have been a conscious choice he made which was right for him. There is no way for us to know.
This is not an excuse or a justification for anything. Rather, given his own words, if we are to take his own words seriously and give him the benefit of the doubt, then there is the possibility he made a conscious, sovereign choice to move on into the next dream, or into Infinity, or whatever he imagined. Personally I think it was not a good choice and if he asked me about it I would have told him to not do something so stupid. But who am I to know what is right for him?
So the point is, this situation is more complex than it seems.
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Leo, have you done no-fap?
Leo, have you done no-fap?Speak for yourself.
Not all of us are as depraved as you.
I can watch normal porn in moderation and enjoy it in many ways, including aesthetic and spiritual. If you can't, that's not my problem. I feel sorry for ya.
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Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressions
Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressionsDo not take girls into the club. Take them out of the club.
Taking a girl into a club is terrible for logistics. You want to isolate her in quiet area to build rapport and begin seduction. It's hard to do that in a club. You need better date location ideas.
1) You are being too needy
2) You are making her the prize and she knows it. Stop making her feel like you are beneath her. She needs to feel that you are above her.
You should have instead teased her: "Your friends are all imaginary" or "Your friends hate you". This sets the proper frame of you being above her. You did the opposite, making yourself look like a pathetic loser with no friends who is trying to get into her party.
Let a few days pass without pestering her with your neediness.
Then try to make her laugh a bit and then ask out for coffee or something like that. No clubs, no friends. Those are all obstacles.
And stop putting her on a pedestal. You need to be cooler than her. YOU are the prize, not her. She should feel lucky to get a coffee with you. You've got it all backwards. Stop acting like a needy girl and start acting like a man.
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Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressions
Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressionsYou haven't even done one approach. So don't kid yourself.
For you, keep it simple: find venues in your town where women hang out and start approaching. Go out at least 3 nights a week and try to do 5-10 approaches per night.
That's basically it. Nothing about this should break integrity.
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Frank Yang's video response to Leo's video - about stage Turquoise
Frank Yang's video response to Leo's video - about stage TurquoiseCertainly not.
You are not conscious of what Love is.
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Actually I disagree with this Vipassana approach. It's too reductionistic. I understand what you are saying: you can deconstruct experience into discrete sensations and so forth as Vipassana loves to do, and this can be very useful and liberating. But this is not the same thing as a holistic consciousness of what things are. It's the spiritual equivalent of saying that the physical universe is nothing more than atoms. And this not correct. There is an understanding beyond the sum of its parts. Which is precisely why Vipassana people are not God-realized. They don't know what God is because you cannot know God by breaking experience down into atoms. I would further say that you cannot know what Consciousness is that way either.
There is a holistic infinite intelligence to Consciousness which is not any of its parts.
God is not any one sensation, nor can it be said to be just another experience among all the other experiences, like a table or a dog.
It is sort of like one who cannot recognize a human as a human because one insists on only seeing it as a bunch of cells. And what I'm pointing out is that something very important is missed in that approach. In fact, THE most important thing is missed. The goal should not be to atomize consciousness, but rather to interconnect it all infinitely to reach the highest understanding.
People like Shinzen Young, who spent 40 years in Vipassana deconstructing sensations are not God-realized. I questioned him very carefully. He does not understand what God is. He's a sweet and beautiful man, but God-realized he is not, and I don't want you to get trapped in that way.
People like Daniel Ingram also do not understand what God is -- even though Ingram has extraordinary technical meditative skill. Technical meditative skill is not good enough. Losing the ego is also not enough. What's missing is a holistic universal comprehension achieved by Infinite Mind. The Universe can grasp itself using its own Infinite Intelligence. And Intelligence is not any one sensation so you will never find it if you insist on only looking at individual sensations. It is the classic problem of missing the forest for the trees. Vipassana is like studying trees with a microscope and never seeing the forest.
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Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressions
Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressionsI was mostly referring to PUA coaches and pros.
You can do pickup ethically, but very few people do. Most PUAs come from a wounded and traumatized past and they fall into toxic stage Orange selfishness.
In general I don't have a high opion of pickup, but it will get you laid. If you are struggling to get laid, it works for that, but you must beware of the toxic and selfish habits you'll likely absorb along the way.
Pickup is sort of a necessary evil for guys who suck with women. Guys who suck with girls need help. They cannot just be left to wallow in their misery because that will be even more toxic. So pickup serves that function. But it will introduce its own toxicity as price of entry which you will later have to transcend.
Pickup does make you a better guy if you use it right. But there is a cost, and many guys who get better just abuse their new high value by using it selfishly.
There are also many degrees of becoming a better guy. My standards are pretty high.
If you want high integrity, pickup is not how you build that. Pickup is about become good at socializing.
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This is how you can simulate PUA workshop
This is how you can simulate PUA workshopFinding a wingman is the key.
If you find a good wingman, it's better than a $2000 bootcamp.
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This is how you can simulate PUA workshop
This is how you can simulate PUA workshopMostly 4 things:
1) Keeps you company, keeps your motivation up
2) Gives you advice from his base of deep experience
3) Demonstrates how to do proper pickup
4) Helps you pull 2-sets where the other girl needs a guy. It's basically impossible to pull a 2-set without a wing.
Yes
That's classic three-some game.
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Is it possible to never find ANY girls who perceive you to be their type?
Is it possible to never find ANY girls who perceive you to be their type?Because if you can handle cold approach, the rest will be cake.
And also because once you get older and you move cities a few times, you'll realize how much harder it is to meet people in those easy ways. You better learn some hard skills. You can't hope life will always be easy.
No
You will even attract hotties.
If I showed you pics of the kind of girls I attracted, you would think I'm lying.
If you talk to 1000 girls, you will attract some stunners. But of course stunners are rare so you gotta actually find where they hang out and talk to them. If you never talk to a stunner, you have zero chance of attracting one. The problem with attracting stunners is not that they demand too much, but they are simply not common in the general population. You are never going to find a stunner at your local Walmart.
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Is it possible to never find ANY girls who perceive you to be their type?
Is it possible to never find ANY girls who perceive you to be their type?1) You still need to make yourself look dapper and stylish. For a man, looking attractive includes how you groom, dress, and carry yourself. I am not giving you a license to be a disgusting, smelly, hairy goblin in rags.
2) With shitty game not only will you not get laid, women will even call security on you. Good game is crucial. But you develop that as you approach those 1000. Nobody starts with good game. If you go out every week, your game skills will double every 6 months.
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Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressions
Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressionsBro, The Game is mostly a fictional book. You treat it as some kind of biographical study. Neil Strauss invented half of it from whole cloth to make it sell.
You need to distiguish sales BS from real life.
And this desire to idolize people you learn from is very problematic. No one ever said Owen is perfect. He's flawed like most humans are. His whole life comes from a deeply wounded place. That's what makes him relatable. Basically every pickup teacher comes from a wounded and dysfucntional place. But you can still learn gold from them if you pick and choose.
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Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressions
Reading "The Game", Who is Owen Cook, Attending his seminars, my first impressionsWatch my video: How Authority Works
I rely on myself because nothing out of a human's mouth can be trusted. It's all mostly bullshit and self-serving delusions.
Don't give your authority and sovereignty away to others, otherwise their epistemic errors will infect your mind. It's like you're having sex with infected people. Stop doing that. It's not safe. Be sovereign! You are God, after all.
Always be skeptical of sales and sales people and popular things.
It's well known that Neil Strauss exaggerated and distorted many parts of the book. What else would you expect from a PUA? PUAs don't have much integrity or honesty.
A PUA is gaming his customers as much as he games his women.
Just take the ideas. The person is irrelevant.
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I'm in a hardcore 'artistic crisis'. Help?
I'm in a hardcore 'artistic crisis'. Help?99% of people do. Nothing funny about it.
It's not accidental. The pragmatics of life will crush your soul and all your dreams.
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I'm in a hardcore 'artistic crisis'. Help?
I'm in a hardcore 'artistic crisis'. Help?@ivankiss That strategy can work, but it assumes you can motivate yourself long-term to work on business projects that you're not that passionate about. It can be hard to pull that off. But that's the strategy I used to bootstrap my LP. It works but requires serious commitment to your long-term vision and it will be painful as you work for years on something which is not your passion/LP just to one day fund your LP. And by the time you make enough money you may forget all about your original LP. It will be hard to say No to the money and go back to start your music from square one.
The bottom line is: to make a strategy like that work, you gotta be persistent and hardworking like a motherfucker.
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The spiral dynamics framework seems flawed
The spiral dynamics framework seems flawedBible Thumbing Christians are obviously not more developed. Just because they dogmatically hold some beliefs which happen to correspond to some mystical truths does not make such people developed. A materialistic scientist is more developed in that at least the scientist is able to be non-dogmatic and to study reality from an empirical perspective. The Blue Christian isn't studying anything and isn't critically thinking about reality at all, he is just parroting words.
Someone who plagiarizes Shakespeare is not a better writer than someone who writes decently but in his own words.
Once you develop an empirical mind, you don't ever go back to being a fundamentalist. This is why Orange is above Blue. A stage Blue person does not yet understand Orange, but a stage Orange person correctly understands that Blue is fundamentalist and dogmatic -- and that this is deeply problematic.
Don't get lost in the content, look at the structures. Be correct on the content is less important than being correct on the structure. The structure in this case is being dogmatic vs being empirical. Being empirical is more developed.
Mysticism is superior to atheism, but atheism is superior to fundamentalist dogma.
Compare the US Founding Fathers and The Constitution vs the theocracy in Iran. Orange vs Blue. Which is more advanced?
You also clearly see that stage Blue politics is way more regressive and problematic than stage Orange politics. Stage Orange politics will be capitalism. Stage Blue politics will be racist and nationalist and theocratic.
If you give stage Blue power, they will turn the country into a theocracy with their religion as king. There is no religious pluralism or tolerance at stage Blue. That only comes online at Orange. Stage Blue will force you to bend a knee to their God. There is nothing developed about that. It is better to bend your knee to a capitalist or a scientist.
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Leo Gura PUA
Leo Gura PUARSD was one of the best back in the 2012ish era when I was big into it. Not sure about what they teach today since I haven't watched in a long while.
Was it highly conscious? No. But it worked for getting good with the ladies.
But there are many, many dating and attraction courses and teachers out there. I've studied dozens of different ones. Hard to remember them all. David DeAneglo is a classic. I studied Adam Lyons, David Wygant, Mystery Method (although it's super outdated), and a bunch more that I can't recall now.
The basic theory is very simple: you go to a crowded place where there are many hot women, you see one, you muster the courage to approach her, and you start talking your mouth off. Smile, be playful, strong eye contact, have sexual intent, get good a touching her early without being creepy. Repeat 10,000 times. The rest is fine details. Roll with experienced wingmen who can show you the ropes in-person.
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there is no way self inquiry is THIS EASY
there is no way self inquiry is THIS EASYYup
I mean... the most spiritual people don't even do meditation or self-inquiry. They simply have spontaneous awakenings out of the blue.
I have met people who were born awake.
I know people who have higher states of consciousness as children then you do on DMT.
I know people who can see aliens and goblins and ghosts walking around the planet the same why you see birds flying around outside.
You will never, ever reach their states of consciousness no matter how long you meditate. They are like a different species. They look human on the outside but they are not human on the inside. These are extreme outliers. There are people with perfect photographic memory or people who can tell you 6 digit prime numbers off the top of their heads. There is no technique to achieve that.
Ramana came out of the womb meditating -- effectively.
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there is no way self inquiry is THIS EASY
there is no way self inquiry is THIS EASYGod is too staggering to fit your simplistic little logical schemes.
Infinity is a fucked up thing and your human mind will not even come close to making sense of it.
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Nuanced pickup questions megathread
Nuanced pickup questions megathreadOf course that's the end goal. The challenge is how to get there. You cannot tell an inexperienced virgin to "just BE attractive".
RSD has always taught to "just BE attractive", but they give you practical ways to work towards that if you suck. And almost all of us start out sucking real bad.
When you are a newbie you gotta be a serious try-hard. It won't look natural. But over time it will become natural.
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Building Muscle = Ego?
Building Muscle = Ego?This is fake stuff that you will not sustain, and it is OBVIOUSLY done purely for the ego.
What do you think all those tattoos are? Ego
And that dude is on HGH and steroids to look that cut.
Basically you can assume that every professional gym rat is on steroids. It's just a scam to sell you wannabes a fantasy.
Even Joe Rogan is on HGH and God knows what other drugs. It's all fake shit. The whole industry is designed to prey on insecure men's egos.
Ego. Ego. Ego. Ego. Ego. That's what these people are posing for.
They sell you these poses because you think it will make girls like you. But the truth is, deep down you hate yourself and you suck with girls for much deeper reasons.
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Building Muscle = Ego?
Building Muscle = Ego?Pretty much. Why would you want bulging muscles? Only to feed your self-esteem.
But exercise for health is not ego. But exercise for health will not give you bulging muscles. It will make you fit and lean.
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BREAKING NEWS: Hamas fires 130 rockets at Israel
BREAKING NEWS: Hamas fires 130 rockets at IsraelIt's self-bias. It serves US power interests. They have little interest in truth or fairness. It's just survival.