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@vibrate hmm I think everyone needs to evolve, afterall we all come to the world with a limited consciousness. You for example will evolve a bit if you stop generalizing and judging...?☺️

@ajasatya well that is the point of doing it going through the journey, I see men in their 60's successful, intelligent men who still look at women like a 18 year old boy, that's the last thing I want for myself, having a lot of experiences with women along with spiritual work is what really slowly evolves us to a point where we are truely mature and are being able to have a true interdependent relationship. To be able to love truely selflessly and passionately ,like a warrior you need to work, it doesn't comes just like that atleast in my experience.

@legendary loved it! Btw David dieda has shaped most of my thinking about masculinity and femininity. Its as if His words stay with me. Every thing he said except the consciousness you have is feminine in relationship to "you". I haven't had a direct experience Realization yet of it, wonder how it would be, I get goosebumps on just playing his words in my head.

@Mezanti well by spirituality I don't mean non duality right away, but yes for a stage organge person doing a basic meditation practice say of a "being the observer" will slowly but steadily help in increasing his consciousness. I don't know if you are someone who has been following Owen cook, but he seems to be an example, after having and enjoying the material world and meditating along side , he now seems to have evolved and is evolving everyone around him. As Osho said there is no problem with interacting with the material world if you're doing so with awareness. It will help you to transcend the material world.

@Shin I am not for cutting spirituality entirely out , success and spirituality dovetails each other, as you said both helps each other. I devote a lot of my time in various practices which help me to interact with the world in a more grounded , responsible and passionate way. But its my time to interact with the world , have my share of impact on it. There is a perfect time for every Revelation.

Exactly! You cannot be at the Lower levels of dominance hiearchy and attain enlightenment. Your nervous system will Never support it. When there is someone who's running behind on his bills, sitting on his ass all day and is an overweight virgin who's trying to get his act together and he reads a comment like money and girls can never satisfy you, you're nothing and the whatever has happened was exactly how it was supposed to be.... I can only imagine how fucking confused that will make him. I am a guy who's trying to get my career and my finances together , I am all most broke and it's stopping my development in all other areas, I need to be "stage orange " right now , if you can't come to my house and pay me a million bucks for free and 10 different women to have sex with don't distract me from "acheiving " me here. I got so distracted because of these sort of suggestions my self for 3-4 months It made me feel guilty for wanting money and chicks. There are only two fucking ways for getting "libration". One is go out of the society to a cave in a mountain , which Will remove you ( and your nervous system) from the Dominance hiearchy. You run away from the system. Other is if you stay in the society you need to rise to the top and only then will your nervous system be free enough for higher things. Now I know it's not necessary to have money , women or power to rise in the Dominance hiearchy, If you feel like a boss you become a boss. But it's very rare and difficult . "Money or woman doesn't makes you happy" this has no meaning if it's not felt in direct experience . Buddha was a son of king he had everything, sadguru was a successful businessman before he became a mystic, and just look at Osho. Why distract people who are at a different stage in their journey , why not really help people to Actualize and bring more empathy in our communication here

I have been practicing bioenergetics exercises since late 2017 on recomemendation of Elliot hulse, I found that the Bow excercises are really amazing. It made my voice deeper, it allowed my breathing to be deeper , I could feel restrictions in my breathing going away, I feels therapeutic for my nervous system, it energises the nervous system and releases any recent trauma experience. Makes me feel very light and filled with vitality after every session. I Have been practicing front bow , full and half back bow and ground jump with ho sound from the belly and also shaking. I generally do each for 1 min. So about 10- 15 minutes totàl but it's very intense. I get gagging response after some time of full bow, it feels as if stored traumas are getting released through those gags, and I feel very light after. It has been in my morning routine on and off since more than a year. I am curious about experiences of other people practicing these exercises, how have their experiences with them been. I also experience an issue with my practice , after a few weeks of doing the bow excercises regularly I develop a pain in my lower back and then I have to stop as it increases if I continue. I don't want to give gaps as it impacts my life in many positive ways.. Looking forward to a discussion about Bioenergetic excercises through which others can get value as well.

Sex is a union , you feel her pleasure and she feels your pleasure , I feel very Happy and satisfied to see my girl moaning in pleasure with me, as david dieda says the greatest pleasure for the masculine is in Giving all you have, ànd the greatest pleasure for feminine is in opening up and receiving fully. Examine and figure out which side of the masculine and feminine spectrum you lie in , for example being a masculine man ( 90 %of men are on the masculine side) If you have the mentality that I'll today give all that I have to this feminine person besides me , I'll give her as strongly, as lovingly and as skillfullyas I can, I'll not hold back anything, having this intention as a man will be the prerequisite for having the most pleasure for both your self and your partner there to receive your gifts fully in the bed. PS: tried using fingers skillfully to stimulate her before penetration? It would make her come faster. Also in Kamasutra there are certain positions which are better for the man to last longer and allow the girl to cum before or Along with the man, check it out. I haven't tried them,but I had a friend who had been using them.

@flowboy, love the honesty. Have been thinking on similar lines , I mean yeah it would be difficult, I am certainly not there yet I know, infact I have a long way to go in learning this, and i am excited about it. I will need to be very vigilant of my ego and not let it stop me from learning more , as that would be the worst thing of all. Thats one of the things I am afraid of most here , not being able to manage my ego with thestudents properly would take me down, it's also tricky as I'll have to maintain the balance between keeping in mind that I still have a lot to learn and giving value to my students through what I know and through Sharing the passion I have towards game. Though spirituality and personal development work I have been doing, does makes me feel confident about this . Thanks for your insight.

I think to really tackle neediness, (which as Imperfect humans we all have , men or woman) i find the most practical way is to both have an abundance of women in your life along side develop your strength emotionally, mentally , spiritually. As for building up a rotation that depends how long you have been focusing on being good with women in your life , how much action you have been taking towards it.

When you visit India Leo , In New Delhi "zorba the Buddha " Is a beautiful spiritual centre/ resort. They have beautiful accommodation, high quality ancient Indian style accommodation( huts with thached roofs, etc) serving Organic Satvik food, and they have big beautiful halls which you can conduct your events in. They will facilitate marketing and filling of seats themselves if you would like that arrangement, I think it would be very helpful for you, they have a sales ,Event management and marketing team and they'll share small amount from the contribution you'll charge. Otherwise you can also just hire one of their halls or gardens for the event taking charge of filling up the seats etc by yourself, although you'll still get help with event management ,catering etc. You can check out their website. http://zorbathebuddha.org I used to work there, it was actually the last place I worked in , I was in event management and sales , I still have connections there with my colleagues and team and if you'll come I'll volunteer there for your event in whatever free time I'll have.

I wanna thank you guys this discussion was very helpful for me.

It all ways troubles me since I have realized that purpose and meaning is subjective. I have a lingering dillema, How can I be passionate about something that is nothing more than my own perception. How can I be passionate about an "object" knowing that ,that object has no intrinsic value in itself in the universe? Now I think there is no objective meaning there. It seems Obvious now I mean for any Meaning to exist there needs to be a subject...right? Without a subject to "percieve" there's no chance of any Meaning to be born. This also implies that judgement outside of our own perspective is absolutely fruitless and any information derived from judgement of another person's situation is irellevant as its the perspective of a different person. would love to Know your views and have a discussion.

Universe is perceiving itself through me ,I am the universe , the universe is the percieving itself through me, In this way whatever I am passionate about is what all there is in universe there is nothing else to be passionate about, Its all subjective , subjective truth is the objective truth....wow it sends shrills in my body just to understand it.....I wonder how powerful having a direct experience Realization of this will be.

I feel you , I love these things you mentioned, I love the trees, the delicate flowers, I love to hike and swim in a beautiful river..... I don't really liked to think about this stuff before that " oh let's see how exactly are they beautiful " I would hate to be a nerd of that level...haha. But this time I am realizing something much more deeper from this questioning, which I think is actually making my love even deeper , I don't feel heaviness anymore to ask these questions. I am still in the process of getting my understanding around this properly and i haven't have a direct experience Realization yet, I am realizing this through contemplating work, I might not make sense sometimes .

Thanks for your insight. One argument could be formed as following on this. Why consider objective meaning better, than subjective meaning? ( Considering here that something as "objective meaning " exists) Well subjective meaning cannot be "trusted", because we are just humans and we are far far from perfect, for a cocaine addict , cocaine might be very Meaningful, it would be definitely be a helpful suggestion for him to tell him to pursue a meaning out of his "flawed and out of order" perception. Would it not? IF there is even one thing really objectively meaningful ( which I don't think there is) I'd consider that thing as an anchor to all beliefs, think about it, that's something which doesn't change because it's decided to be "meaningful" regardless of any perception and/or can be said that it's meaningful from All existing perceptions. In other words it would be the shit, it would hold status of God..?

Anyone in the journey living in New Delhi currently?

Thanks for your reply Leo , your reply just made me happy as I read it....:) So just got finished with a project which I did to earn some cash, back home after 2 weeks of travel, Yesterday saw Leo's video on phases of life , I was so glad as I could apply I directly. Well this is the point in my life where I am really struggling, I am at the Limbo phase( good to have a word for it now) , and although investigation about enlightenment ,nonduality etc is what I want my life to be about ultimately, right now when I am struggling with my purpose feeling direction less feeling low self esteem, having problem with interacting with girls who are really really good looking, and my financial future is not looking promising ,at this time talks about enlightenment etc are feeling like distraction for me, I have a tiger running behind me I gotta get rid of him first then meditate....:p So now I gotta figure out what my life's direction is gonna be, It's very difficult for me to just sit to contemplate and figure it out, that what's really it's gonna be about now what do I wanna do next to earn money which would also take me closer to my purpose, how do I want my life to be alligned so that I get it all. I find myself distracting my self a lot. I actually did it 4-5 times before , I did plan but then wasn't able to stick to it for some or other reason. I am meditating almost every day, I am working to remove my "should", I had a big strong "should " when it came to meditation, which I think helped me a lot in beginning but now after 2 years of regular meditation ( I hardly missed 6-7 days in total), I think I need to remove the neurotic should I had applied to the practice, am working on it and making my motivation to meditate less neurotic, i think it's helping me and I am reconnecting to the real essence of meditation and the real reason I do it. I also am doing bio energetic breathing exercises , it's very helpful , I have been doing it since more than a year on and off, doing bow regularly was hurting my back,these days it seems these exercises have become more effective for me, I think I am bending properly now, I don't have the back pain too let's see I'll report after some more time. I have developed big self esteem problem, I think because I am an ambitious guy and now when my purpose and direction in life is not strong it's fucking up my self worth. I am finding myself pedestrialising people I think are "high status" , it's dangerous as fuck, it's making me not to see reality of people and situation properly, I want to get rid of this problem. I am listening to sleep affirmations for self worth and self esteem hoping it would help it's been about a week and I think it has a bit. This low self worth thing is making me supplicate and being weird arround highly attractive and high status women, and Even men for that matter. I hate smoking and only smoke rarely when I drink , but last week I smoked about 6-7 cigarettes. That's bad. Biggest problem I have is money right now, it's been like this for a long while now , leo said there are a lot of creative ways of earning money I'll now focus on this (again) and I am tired of this having lack of money, I think I don't give as much importance to money in my life, I see that I give more importànce to health,women, self development than money, maybe it's good I don't know, but right now i have real financial scarcity, my mind should be very alert and focused on this. The fact that I àm living with my parents could be the reason that I am chilled about it. I am thinking that now I'll focus on my money issue I life primarily, One of the biggest distraction I have is women and sex, I spend a lot of time in getting women to bed with me, in doing pick up, following up with number closes, watching videos. Also good amount of time is spent in dealing with hurt rejection , loneliness etc. I will now I have decided focus my pickup activities on getting a stable Girl friend, not on hook ups . Getting a stable girlfriend whom I like will at least save a lot of my mental bandwidth on arranging a hook up when I am horny. I will definitely be still doing pick up as I have lot more to learn and grow from it, just will be spending more time on earning money as of now. I need to start exercising, it helps a lot. Main issue is again of money right now for gym membership, I'll have to come up witha health plan. I'll contemplate about my life direction now in my journal, contemplating is very helpful for me. One probablem I have is I get mentally exhausted after a good contemplating session, so I am unable to make proper action plan on the realisations I have in the session, maybe it'll improve with practice , suggestions are very welcome in that. Okay will go for now let me now open my journal and start journalling, I feel so much resistance ,haven't even started yet.

As I am writing this I am very depressed , I have been thinking about starting a forum post documenting my efforts to rise up since a long time now, but have not getting started thinking various things. I am starting now, I am going to be fully naked and honest about my life situations in these posts. Well the situation I am in life, I feel that I am hopeless case, I am truly feeling that I belong to very low rungs in society. I am 26 years old, I am not a college graduate, I didn't complete my engineering course in the college I was enrolled in, I don't have a graduation degree, after getting back home from college I had never been very depressed about my career ,I used to think that college degree doesn't matters in real world. After college ,I did small works in events and in call centers and i focussed on developing myself, my communication skills and my charisma as I thought those are the real things I'll need ( I want to become an entrepreneur)... I saw great improvement in my personality , I think I am a changed guy now socially. I also started as working as part time emcee in events. I have done about 35 events now in about 2 years(which is not that much) . Anyway ,I used to be shy ,and couldn't speak up but now I don't have social anxiety and can socialize pretty smoothly and I have hosted events for about 100 people I have also done pick up for about 1.5 years and have improved myself with women. Last year I joined a job in sales in a spiritual centre( as I was deeply into meditation ) and thought I'd develop my sales skills as sales is most important in any entrepreneurial venture, I did it for 8 months then left as I was not growing Anymore there, but I learned a lot there, and I was satisfied with my work performance there. After leaving from that spiritual centre last year in November , I have not yet started anything solid, I had finished all my saved money whatever little I had and since last 3-4 months have been living in my parents house doing little emceeing work in events as there is very little work for small male emcees here, doing survey projects for some small ngos, I also joined a direct selling network but not have been consistent, in between I tried to give my college papers again one last time but soon realized I was wasting my time and also realized I truly don't value degree, I was thinking about it because I am scared now..... So here I am , I away from my home on a NGO project which I have taked to Carry on as I was not having anything else and wanted money...I am feeling very depressed hopeless about my life here in the hotel room. I think after leaving my job I have been going into a downward spiral and today I can't see how can i ever have the kind of life I allways wanted I am living in reaction to life , I don't feel in control at all. I don't have the strength in me right now to promise myself that I'll get myself out of this downward spiral. But I am writing this post because I feel I need to do something, something so that I don't go deeper as I feel that I might never get myself back if I don't do something... Leo, Tyler, Elliot hulses among many others have helped me before to handle my shit. I had been a bully victim in school had traumas regarding that and personal development has helped me a lot before and I think that's what will help me now.

Happy birthday leo

Recently I have been practicing to observe the emotional reactions though I haven't been labeling them or judging them. I think , I would like to call these reactions as just primal reactions. I am not really conscious of them if I don't deliberately decide to do so. But I am realizing more and more that it's making me much more connected to myself. I'll describe the way I do it here ,I am interested in knowing what you guys think of it. For example , I noticed having emotional reactions every time I see a hot girl walking into my field of vision, sometimes when i examine those reactions I get insights about myself, sometimes for eg I'd notice , how on seeing a hot girl I would feel , I will "get" something from her, as if my body is viewing that person standing there as a source of validation, then I'd say hmm ... interesting what really making me feel so at this moment , I'd realize that maybe that time I am tired and feeling lonely, or Maybe hurt due to some other reason ( and subconsciously expecting that random beautiful stranger to give me some validation as it would be healing) ... I'd realize that's also making me afraid to approach her because I am scared of getting hurt if she rejects my approach.....so in this way I am able to "see" my approach anxiety and what's causing it directly in my experience. I can see that in this moment I am validation seeking and the reason is that I am feeling lonely or hurt , realising this makes me take a decision involving my emotional self . I might dive in and inquire deeper to see the reason I am feeling hurt or lonely, I'd then resolve it if possible then and there , eg if I am feeling lonely then I can first feel that loneliness in my body ,accept that experience happening then I will tell myself you're feeling lonely right now because you had not been connecting with people lately, well here's an opportunity for you go on, maybe who knows she's feeling lonely too , doing this, putting conscious light on my problems and having dealing with them myself before approaching would make me feel much less needy and less anxious and increase my chances of getting better results. Practicing this kind of observation then inquiry on them, is proving to be quite healing for me right now