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I have no idea how you have done 5-MEO or if you even done it properly to have the full breakthrough - but whatever you are saying just doesn't make any sense to me

Have you done any 5-MEO? I doubt that you have done 5-MEO even once. I agree with LEO 100%, no therapy comes even close to a 1 solid trip.

Look up and start doing Kegel Exercises. Those will help a lot and most likely solve the issue.

By liberation, I am talking about a lasting liberation and personal transformation, where an individual is free from the restraining and persistent confines of the energetic structures of the ego. Some of the things to describe an individual who is liberated: 1) Authentic - is able to freely express themselves without being locked into EGO. A great sense of variability is there - energetically they are able to shift from non-dual to the character. They are not locked into EGO all the time. 2) Free from Egoic Projections - A person is able to see through their own egoic projections. A person in a liberated state can see that these are just their own egoic projections, attachments, and are not true. A person who would be locked into EGO, would not be able to see this and for them those egoic projections would be true. 3) Universal Love vs Personal Preferences - Living with an open, unguarded, unconditionally loving heart. Loving everything but not liking everything - an individual universally loves everything, but still has their own preferences. Keep in mind, spiral dynamics is just a map and is not entirely accurate. Is there a correlation between the most advanced stages though and liberation? Absolutely. If you read what I wrote above, you will see how lower stages such as blue would not be compatible with liberation.

@Nivsch This is why it is best to avoid using the word "enlightenment" all together. You are using the word "enlightenment" in a very vague way. What happens, is many people who experience small fraction of liberation, or have a powerful nondual experience, start running around claiming to be "enlightened", which can't be further from the truth. The ego sneaks back through the backdoor. Many here (including LEO), just don't understand the difference between having many insights, and nondual experiences vs actually living in a liberated state. This is a very nuanced point, and requires to you to have a lot of direct personal experience to understand this.

No it is not absurd. Your definitions are causing a lot of confusion. You need to differentiate between nondual experience, vs liberation. There are many more people who have had nondual experiences, and very few people who actually ever were fully liberated. Nondual experience or many nondual experiences/awakenings =/ Liberation. Do not get attached to the word "experience" here, it is only used so it would be understandable for people. When one is liberated from the EGO, the things that you mentioned here would clearly be out of question. There is a bigger fish to catch as you like to say. Of course at any given stage, a person can have an "awakening" or "nondual experience" - they could very easily be on their way to liberation. But do not confuse this with total liberation - which very few individuals have ever been at. The best indicators are not the labels of "master", "monk", etc. The best indicators are what the person embodies. Liberation comes from being very conscious, and when you are that conscious - the things that you mentioned here would be out of question.

Have you ever contemplated that the so called people that you view as "Zen Masters" were not actually fully enlightened or liberated? Try to be open to the possibility, that your view of what is enlightenment and who you view as enlightened could be wrong.

@Leo Gura The problem here is your vague/loose definition of "enlightenment" and who you think is "enlightened" and who is not. I told you about this in the past, and will once again tell you to really re-evaluate what you think enlightenment is and who you think is enlightened - you are off the mark here, and this has been causing a lot of confusion for yourself and to your students. I agree with @How to be wise I don't see how a person who is fully liberated can be at stage blue for example. To me, being liberated comes with being very conscious and when you are conscious - it would be very hard to support fascists/nationalists. Those so called Zen Monks have been far ahead of your average person, but clearly not enlightened in my book. There is definitely a correlation between your values, and your level of consciousness.

What do you mean by "all romantic love is pure illusion"?

I suggest to take a break from the forum and actually do something, instead of mentally masturbating all day long.

Start by observing your delusions, and egoic attachments when you are NOT tripping. And apply it during your trips. The ego likes to make a lot of projections during the trips, which have nothing to do with reality.

You seem to be lost in a web of concepts, which is what happens when you mentally conceptualize too much and don't have enough of direct experience.

False. Map is not the territory. Words can only point to the truth, but are not the truth itself. There will be a point, when you will no longer need to chase insights, and will instead just be.

Technique does matter, especially if you are a beginner. Do your research and find courses online. Learn female body, female psychology. Start off by reading the book "Sex God Method" and go from there.

There is absolutely no need to follow anyone, or to even have a "guru". Gurus, and ashrams are outdated. As been said, he would never endorse psychedelics - it would not benefit him in anyway, and plus he works with the government.

@Aakash You are a total nutcase. I thought you were trolling or joking when you wrote the posts here, but you are actually a true nutcase. You created multiple threads, spamming there with nonsense about your "awakening" and now you are spewing some more nonsense ahahahaha

This confirms that you are a troll. I never insulted you. I ended the conversation with you that went nowhere, and you continued to try to start it up again. You also replied on a couple of other threads in a snarky way, attempting to again engage in debate. Like I said, and I will say it for last time - do not bother engaging in anymore discussions with me, you will be ignored and any further trolling attempts will be reported.

Why did you ban Umar_uk only in this case? Inliytened1 always starts non-duality wars, spams threads, and also stalks people down - he stalked me down several times by seeing where I post and tried to start shit. My gut says he is a troll of some kind

This is not me getting hung up on technicalities - there are significant things here which you are not aware of. If you haven't skimmed it, but actually read it carefully, contemplated, and had your own direct experience - you would have a different perspective. What Martin was doing, was not a variation of shamans offering the medicine. The shamans offer the medicine in a ritualistic way by creating ceremonies. There are lot of dualistic beliefs attached to it. And they offer it to larger groups, anywhere between 10-20 people. Usually the person there smokes Bufo only once. Martin was doing non-dual therapy, and only 1 on 1 sessions. Per session the person would consume it 3 times. Martin clearly stated that what the shamans do and what he does - are very different approaches. How do I know this? Because I have had experience with the shamans, and have also done things the way Martin W Ball described. There is a difference between just reading something, and actually understanding it. Your EGO clearly got scared, and you backed out. You don't have any direct experience of this - just a limiting belief. Why even ask him, if you are not going to believe him - given you already have opinion which you will not change? You preach open-mindedness, but here you got blinded by fear. Energetic overload is not a problem- I can personally confirm this as I have verified it for myself. This is actually one of the beauties of 5-MEO, it can provide that energetic overload that no other psychedelic can. You don't have to blindly follow anyone, but you got to verify things through direct experience, as you have been doing with other things. The fact that you haven't even done it once up to this point - tells me that there is a lot of fear (nothing wrong with that, very natural with this work). You will say that you don't have the time, or the interest, but that is all excuses. It's much easier to not go all the way, and continue to get insights ,and convince yourself that you are going deeper, and deeper - then to face yourself right on. When you are ready to move "deeper", you will have to drop the chase for the insights, and the need to intellectually understand everything. It's a trap, which is very evident for me, as I have been there before myself. Few other users on this forum have pointed this out.

You told me that you have read ALL of his books, yet you are saying here that Martin W Ball was doing shamanic work? Wtf? I asked you specifically if you read his latest book(you said obviously yes!) and you clearly haven't. Martin W Ball specifically states that shamanism is not compatible with the work that is requried for liberation because it is dualistic in nature. He talks about these things in detail. The way that shamans use psychedelics and the way that Martin W Ball did, are very DIFFERENT. Also, without taking into account Martin W Balls' sessions with clients, he individually has done easily over 100 trips alone. It may have taken him a few to get an "awakening", but far more afterwards that he described as "full liberation".

Out of all the people on this forum, you are one of the few that totally gets it. Once you really KNOW the truth, conceptualization goes down significantly and eventually it's most just experiential.

How do you define "enlightenment"? And how can you even know if someone is "enlightened"? According to LEO there are different facets of it, and it's not arbitrary.

If you followed his situation closely, you would know that his sleeping problems go all the way back to childhood. He met with different professionals and they confirmed that to him as well. He had them long before using any psychedelics, but things escalated the last 2 years - the years when he did NO psychedelics at all. Any "enlightened" person would be like this, if they had such a problem. Enlightened people are not immune to suffering from such issues, especially that have messed up neurochemistry

@Paulus Amadeus His sleeping problems don't have anything to do with 5-MEO. His sleeping problems began all the way in his childhood. And doctors confirmed that to him as well.

Could this be applied to LEO? (to a certain extent)