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@zazen It is not that your view isn't valid or not presented in an interesting way, and surely has points, but its about their partiality, not about being true or false. Another example is that Israel's military advantage is not accidental, but rather an overcompensation for its initial disadvantages on the macro scale of the Middle East. What this shows is that having a military advantage over someone does not necessarily mean a more self-confident position than theirs.

@zazen If someone takes now only one city from your country, you will start to develop emotions towards this piece of land and won't be able to compromise with him. You will become ideological just like him to take your city back to your hands, even if he will be satisfied with this one city and won't do any occupation or any oppression on you at all.

@zazen The history does not agree with this simplistic categorization. The Palestinian side commited brutal acts against Jews long before Jews began to have military advantage on them. What is refused to be accepted here is that the Palestinian side can and most likely has ideological roots to this land, just like the Jews have those, and the consistent trial to draw reality like Jews are only the ones who have Biblical aspirations, but Palestinians are just innocent reactors, is going against the commom sense and the nature of conflicts and to some sense human nature in general.

The right-wing sector of the Palestinians, on the second side of the equation, also has an ideology with independent reasons to exist (not dependent on the actions and policies of the second side), except that these pre-existing ideologies do fuel and worsen each other.

@Raze Any extreme group who turture somebody else is wrong and that is it. No further explanation needed for it.

@Raze No. An entity who rapes before it kills and do psychological continuous turture to helpless hostages isn't just "cornered" or in a "ghetto". This nerative is very weak.

Why can't hamas be just an ideological cult within stage Red just for its own sake (without further explanation needed) but far-right settlers in west bank can? Why this double standart?

The decision of Netanyahu's government to continue the war at this time (instead of sign an agreement, release the hostages and negotiate with moderate Arab players about alternatives to hamas in Gaza) is terrible, so in this sense I agree with you here.

She is absolutely right here. Perhaps it is you that want to preserve the simplistic image in your mind of your invented Israel.

The comparison isn't worth my calories to react about because I, personally, want to gain weight, so I will jump to the statistics. I don't know what is too much or too little. Is it about the harm to hamas? Gaza as a whole? Many will think that there is a need for more firepower because they think this is the way to eliminate hamas. So I really don't understand what he was trying to do here, or actually I do understand. This is true that there are many that have at this times no emphaty at all to the Palestinians whatsoever and for them they are mostly all the same. From what I see I have the impression that most (at least half for sure) of Israelis want Bibi to sign on phase B of the deal, release the hostages and end the war. I know this is very difficult and counter-intuitive to see about a small country that our brain interpret in a homogenous way, but Israel is diverse enough in a similar way in which America is, and include couple of totally differemt societies and sectors, and particulary about the war and in present days, Israel is divided to two opposing societies. This makes more sense if we remember that Jews came here from different continents and from totally different cultures. 99% of those Youtube videos are made by people who have never visited in Israel and have no real understanding on Israeli society. Here is a list of public leaders and journalists that can help to understand the political situation in Israel:

@Breakingthewall The new page pushed it backward so I copied my comment to you to there.

You miss out the psychopatic qualities of hamas actions to this day. Just see the last video they released of the hostages. This is far beyond just Palestinians who got cornered. Something additional is going on here. hamas are more like the far-right extremist settlers who are ideologists and want all the land without any added context needed.

Nice projection

The IDF is a mandatory service for all Israeli citizens and therefore reflects the diversity of Israeli society. However, it is an arm of the elected government and must carry out the orders it receives from it. Technically, soldiers can refuse orders that contradict their moral compass and may face a legal process, but others will replace them. Given that the current government is exceptionally corrupt, this will also be reflected in the field.

Tel Aviv is a one giant traffic jam because of the protest so I decided to stay and join today.