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@Karmadhi How can you think about fairness to the other side when you have to save your life from him? Only if you are not a human.

When you were almost been killed in a war initiated by 6 Arab countries, and now you try to push them back to ensure your survival, while within the country the war takes on a totally civil character between the Jews and the Arabs, you will obviously in this moments see all the arabs as a solid unit (without nuances) and won't always do the most efficient or moral or clean thing for example stealing of private lands. This is very understanble to me in this situation. A private or collective property of someone is a joke when you are just trying to stay alive.

@Karmadhi Those lands been taken during a war the Arabs initiated, in which the Jews were even in an inferiority position and almost lost. but then, changed their attitude from mainly defence to mainly attack, and against most odds - survived. This is war, and both side have equal responsibility to the consequences and even more so the side who started it.

It can only be good in security, medical emergency uses and maybe thats all. In everything else it is just childish and will do more harm than good.

How Nikki Haley is doing?

@Raze Yes, there is a problem here in the way the fire is, sometimes, used in a too loose way when children are being hurted or killed from that, what could be avoided quite easily and therefore cannot be justified by any explanation. It won't be fair to dismiss these cases as just a technical problem, but rather a symptom of a deeper general problem of moral development but mainly in some troop squads that lack this moral sense probably more than the average center of gravity of the culture. In every such a big army, to those specific sub groups of troops (which are maybe less moral than the average) to not be too-easy in their use of fire, the average of IDF were to be in tier two which is unrealistic today in any nation anyway. This in no way means the problem should not be addressed seriously within the IDF, but what it comes to say is, when pretending to take extreme cases and from them critisize an entire country, the critisim must be taken in a proper proportions and relative to realistic outcomes in a western world average context. Otherwise the critism will be misleading and hypocrite.

@Danioover9000 Me sent you a mail? I didn't send you anything.

1. What humanitarian crisis there is in the west bank? Beside the water quality problem. In gaza there is I agree. 2. "Israel expansionism to the greater Israel in the cost of palesitnians dying"? Who said the goal is to reach "greater Israel"? This is at most a projection of the podcaster. How does the settlememts expansion cause palestinians dying? This is only true when an extremist settler do its own deal but not a regular scenario. 3. Zionists want to genocide? This is also a projection in the mind of the podcaster. 4. The military action radicalize muslims - I agree with you. But what is the alternative? To get out of the west bank? 5. Israel's "ethnic cleansing in the borders"? How so? The threat near the border is by Radwan force which is 100% a terorrist group. 6. "appartheid"? Can you give an exmple?

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But without this army attendance in the west bank, 7.10 would be considered a tiny event. And why the tree behind him so early? He can't wait couple of more days? This is not fair I also want to celebrate this holiday.

Exactly. They don't want to ask what most Gazans think because they feel uncomfortable to face the answer.

+1 ❤ I know this is from a month ago but this must be jumped to the top again and get more credit. By DawnC 🌅

@Karmadhi The military court for juveniles has decided to do deal for itself when some judges and the president of the military court for appeals said they have to stick with the Israeli and international laws, but the military court for juveniles refused to do so. From "Btselem" site.

@Karmadhi The West bank is full of hamas people especially in Hebron but not only.

@zazen It wasn't to justify anything but to add an another underrated parameter into the equation. You write many big words ("mistreat", "governed", "colonialism", "aphartheid") ungrounded in anything tangible and explicable I can answer too. This is no more than a very big helium balloon. Again it is recommended to Israel to stop build anything new and in that way offer an agreement based on this. But in the other hand Israel has initiated countless offers mediated by many players that could also put an end to the settlements expansion but was refused by the palestinians again and again.

Their human rights treshhold within their villages and cities even in west bank is limited by their own culture way before it is affected by IDF attendance near those villages.

@zazen There were many more versions with many more mediators than just Israel and Palestine for example in Anapolis Conference. They want the whole cake with all the colorful tiny candies on top too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference

@Nabd They have got countless offers from Israel to have a state on roughly 67' lines (with areas exchanges) which is obviously mean no new settlements within the new state's area.

@lina As much as I want the settlements expnasion to cease, still, the suffering from seeing new villages being built few km near your home is not comparable to the suffering of being killed, raped and kidnapped with a life threat on your head in any given moment for 70 days.

At this thread, unfortunatly. I responded to a claim by its same logic to show the ridiculousness of taking an edge case and projecting it so loosely as it is "Israel". About the rest of your message, when you take a society who has just got traumatized as was never before and Gazans are celebrating and dancing in the streets to that, what else do you expect to hear? I really don't understand.

@Karmadhi There are also women being sometimes murdered by their husbands in Tel Aviv and in Toronto. This doesn't make Israel or Canada a murderous tyrrani. I can also play the game of extreme edge cases.

@Raze Yes the helicopters helped to kill hamas people near the border at the beginning before IDF entered the kibbutses, and often it was harder for them to be accurate in the identifications so there were few mistakes. But nothing will change the facts: ~1200 murdered (~360 in Nova) 240 kidnapped By hamas.

@Karmadhi Actually the education I went through was quite pluralistic and about respecting others and differences. Yes of course we have learned also about our enemies and etc but only in the sense that Israel went through wars and peace agreements, but not about that anyone is evil or that we have to eliminate someone. Not at all. I can't say there aren't schools that teach more fanatic ideas as you mentioned, but I think they represent a minority. If you can send me the links and I will watch and relate.

@Karmadhi I really don't know to say how it can be done practically except that this is the insight I started to feel about this issue. The spiral dynamics strategy for example has already tried to be implemented, but it is still not a broad or deep enough strategy by itself, if we assume that stages are not the only factor but also cultural qualities and dominant psychological barriers which are unique to every culture.