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@Karmadhi And the Allied killed 350,000 to 500,000 in WW2. Numbers are meaningless without big picture context.

What do you think the rational behind this if this is indeed a policy? If so, I want to believe this is only possible because of the current radical government the most radical since Israel establishment. Far right wing toxicity.

It is frustrating to hear about those dark cells within the system but it is very difficult to demand the whole system to be disciplined or equally moral, with all the depressing reality of the fact that bad apples can infect he whole basket reputation. @Danioover9000 As every military has and often even more than IDF if to be honest.

They are human beings. They have at the very least 50% responsibility to the conflict dyamics, aside with full responsibility to their thinking patterns. They can make conclusions in many directions.

I was indeed brainwashed by exploded buses and restaurants, missiles and shooting on civilians from (almost) birth.

"Only ceasefire can free hostages" A temporary ceasefire.

@zazen The weapon you mention is already exist.

This is just fair to counteract the palestinian propaganda MONSTER being spreaded to hundreds of millions in numbers we cannot compete with, unless we invest in our algorithm to the point it will be better than the other ones.

This is only a result of a complex positive feedback happened before that. Thanks to the fact they were kicked out of Jordan too. Its interesting they can never get along with roughly ANYONE.

They got almost 50-50 in 1947. They were offered 67 lines. The 90's agreements were all trust building tries. The whole world tried to help them including Russia and the Arab League but it didn't help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference

With that I agree. But no, the PLO are not open at all too and never were. They too rejected every proposal placed on their desk.

Palestinians are equally hostile to other countries too. Israel is not the source of the problem but an another trigger for them.

@lina @Leo Gura Ok so both sides were to blame quite equally. I tried to search for one side who "started" it but I could not find.

Who is to blame in that?

@Raze I do not so attached emotionaly to my Jewish identity as much as I care about my country values, but here there is a special case when those two things are overlap. That is why if the Jews will cease to be a majority here, then our values are in danger. To sum it up I am more Israeli than a Jew in my identity, but obviously I am not ashamed at all to be a Jew this is a good religion with decent values. Still a social construction and there are deeper identity facets I am more attached to.

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@Leo Gura I only like that he goes with his inner 'fire' and truth all the way (even when I am not necessarily agree with things he say) despite all the pressure on him from the outside. The problem is that he is willing to run over and destroy everything and everyone that stand on his way.

@Raze On one thing we can agree and is that Netanyahu is toxic.

Oh yes that was super iconic 🤩 And Neta in 2018 too. To be honest Sweden's song this year was beyond amazing (but the performance was less to my type).

I connected some dots today and realized that what many people here in this thread see as "Israel" is ,mainly, the 5% most far-right sector. I now understand this when I remember all the links and statements being quoted here. Why is that? Maybe those 5% have the highest sound volume, or that the world media wants to focus almost solely on them out of a confirmation bias.

+1 🧡 Liked your points.

The moderate Arab world of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, Gulf emirates, Bahrain with all the problems is still a magnitude better than the Palestinians and have some healthy common sense with which one can actually talk and reach to some mutual understanding.

I agree about this pattern. Less about the degree of injustice (but not negate it completely) because I think they have much more responsibility to their outcome than the "too easy life" they get from this thread.

@Nabd sounds like conspiracy to me. You say here far reaching claims I would ask you to attach links as evidence, because to me it doesn't make sense at all. Netanyahu funded hamas yes. The other things - I don't think so. Not as an official policy of Israel for sure. Israel fights hamas every single day in the West Bank since 2002.