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@Breakingthewall why do you think that israel do what hamas wants? can you explain?

@Breakingthewall If you think Israel targets civilians deliberately you definitely have to study the issue well before you write such statements.

I would agree with you if the situation was similar to all the previous rounds of Israel-hamas conflict during the last 15 years.

@Breakingthewall Massive bombing from the air is critical for the soldiers who will get in after that to not be "sitting ducks".

@Breakingthewall This is not only the government. The whole system was under a wrong cenception that only hezbollah capable of such a thing but not hamas.

I think the settlements took a big amount of resuorces from IDF. But also the underestimation of the whole system of hamas capabilities. Good to know about DMZ i didnt know that. Ok so i hope IDF will learn the lesson and do that across our borders.

I am still concerned that after what happened, not demanding high price from hamas for decades / not eliminate him, will cause a psychological damage to the Israeli's sense of identity, unity and security and can have serious consequences on the strength of the israeli society. Sometimes you have to face your demon head on, also collectively. I try to see this revenge emotion as also intelligent and here for a reason, at least in my opinion, and i think we have to use this emotion smartly but to overlook it will be a mistake.

@Leo Gura The problem is that hamas proved it can invade through a cement wall and also easily skydive above it. What you suggest can be possible, in my opinion, only if a great force of at least 1000 soldiers will sit 24/7 near the border. But more secure option is to establish a safe zone occupies by Israeli soldiers and maybe even international force, which will have some strategical depth of say 50-100 km that will ensure time to Israel to responde to every invasion of hamas which will require some invasion to gaza.

Personally I feel we cannot give up the hostages but we also cannot give up our goal to eliminate hamas. without winning in this war, Israelis will stop feel secure in their country and will stop believe psychologically in their country in a very deep sense which is not less severe than the hostages problem. Both goals have to be achieved somehow.

Israel thinks that this drips of realising captives a little bit every time, is aiming to steal time and prevent Israel from getting its soldiers into gaza strip. A psychological torture hamas is trying to do.

@zazen Actually in all the former operations israel was quite surgical. This time is broader but it doesnt mean its not selective to hamas building (and not just every empty building).

@Breakingthewall Do you have a better alternative to how to eliminate hamas? I am asking seriously. Not to argue.

@zazen Israel asked them to evacuade to the south where there they HAVE water. And until then they can definitly buy along the way. Dont be so black and white. Its a complex thing you are not in a well organized temple of moral right now this is not realistic. Dont judge israel so fast without learning its strategy.

I don't believe bibi would do such a deliberate thing like that. He is capable of many things but this sounds too far. But he indeed has an interest to keep hamas strong so he did it indirectly.

It depends on the person in charge. For bibi thats maybe true. But he is not the only one who decide now because during the war the cabinet is the responsible and all its members have the same power.

Ok i understand. So maybe it is somehow selective to buildings that serves hamas directly or indirectly. Maybe. I hope. I dont know. What i do know is that the air strikes this time are far more broad than in any operation israel did in the past and part of that is to neutralize hamas's traps he putted all over gaza.

@Breakingthewall Yes this is literally about changing the landscape of gaza. So now they left to the south. Where all those civilians will live? Good question. I think the international community will have to be responsible for them too from now on if they are so important to them. Israel doesnt want to be their babysitter anymore.

@zazen Israel is destroying buildings (with NO civilians who were asked to leave) to neutralize the maze of horror hamas built to the day israeli soldiers will get there. Its a land of traps hamas built.

@zazen I want to show you an another perspective to consider: The six-days war as a self defense operation: https://israelforever.org/interact/blog/international_right_self_defense_six_day_war/ See how bigger the enemies army is in comparison to Israel, which made an existential threat on israel in yom kippur war.

@lina send me a link to where bibi says he target civilians and than we can talk.

I saw it now. There is problems with the settlements in the west bank and I have a lot of criticism on the right-wing actions. Still, the person in this video is highly biased. I lost him after he said "This even more severe than what hamas did" and "Israel is deliberately target civilans" which is a 100% biased low quality unnuanced crap.

@Leo Gura Hamas has to be destroyed but with minimal damage to innocents and I want to believe Israel do its best.

@lina This is a very complex situation. Israel must put pressure on hamas to return the captives. Yes, there is a cost to that in humen lives in gaza but look how hard the situation is. Also think about how hamas is brutal to gaza's civilians in day to day life and the poverty they live in anyway because of hamas. In order to the long term to be better even for gaza's civilians, they are costs to pay in the short run.

Hamas installed traps all over gaza to wait for israeli soldiers. without destroying buildings, hundreds of Israeli soldiers will die for nothing. Remind you that there are NO civilians in those buildings after IDF asked them to live. Please take this perspective also into accout and don't be so biased.

@lina The process of Israel establishment wasn't at all "A massacre Israel did" but a complicated dynamic which in both sides did things one to another that ended up in Israel establishment. Without force, Israel couldn't exist at all given the language our neigborhood understands.