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I accept what you say. I am not so familiar with him in details, but fair enough to acknowledge the dark side of what has happaned and how he was directly involved in it. However, not istead of what you say but in addition, this civil war was a result of almost 30 years of gradual escalation that began in the 1920's. When overlooking this gradual thousands-steps-length process of almost 30 years of escalation and focusing only on the end result, the chance to abuse the situation to the favor of one side or another is very high, even with the best of intentions of the source, let alone when the source favors one side to begin with. Hence the distance between an only one sided ethnic cleansing and a war between two sides that fight each other (and right, do evil things too to one another) is as short as 1mm. Any ducomentary that isn't extremely careful will very fast drift away to an alternative reality in which one of the sides is the evil one and the other is the innocent, without even realizing it has been drifted by a powerful subcurrent.

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@zazen Seems like he wanted to express an appreciation to their point of view and to understand them. Since he was a prime minister of Israel he probably was patriotic enough to aknowledge Jews authentic right on this land too, living aside the Arabs (not instead). He talked also about the importance of coexistance between the two nations.

You don't need to be far right to support Israel in general (not necessarily agree with everything it does). It is enough to be in the center or a moderate Leftist.

But Leo attacked Netanyahu and Netanyahu deserves to be critisized, although I would disagree about the content because the nuclear program is just too dangerous. While this is true that Iran has a right to detter others from invasion to it, but given the size of Israel and therefore its valunerability to an atomic event, Israel will choose the safe side and do its best to prevent Iran from holding such a weapon what is very understandable to me.

It sees the problem as beautiful and interesting to mainly observe and examine with an appreciation. This is his way to encounter it and to make the change in the observed.

But you said that it keeps ruling because it is the most effective force in the region. So according to this if it will be no longer a dominant player in the region, it will have better chance to be defeated from inside.

But this is interesting because it implies that once someone from outside will outfight this regime, it can cease to rule. Therefore an outside intervention (not a manipulative one but an authentic one that done out of survival concerns and necessities of the interventor) of for example Israel against Iranian's regime can maybe be an important key in defeating it.

It could be that their regime is deterring enough that the citizens are too scared to really uprise against it. As I understand roughly 20-30% of the Iranian are pro the regime but most of them against it. Israel is just many things combining together and is extremely diverse and polarized. The group which is as developed as western or northern Europe here is just not big enough to win the elections. These are the anti Netanyahu camp.

Its interesting to see how your people have much more appreciation to the west's good sides when aren't for granted and can really see what for example many Europeens already can't.

The tensions and polarization are big yes. Especially between pro and anti Netanyahu today.

@Spiritual Warfare Read a bit about Israeli society. Most of whom aren't different then yours.

What happens to those women in these cases usually?

The real argument here is one's personal psychology being projected on the issue against the other's personal psychology being projected on the issue. So lets put the issue aside and just talk about daily life.

That was a gradual escalation of both sides since 1920s.

For 300 years and they have a right to be part of Israel if they feel connection.

The fact you respond so cynically only strenghtening my point. You overlook half of the equation. I can also say that most of the Palesinians who live here are offsprings of work immigrants who came here only decades before Israel, but I choose to not dismiss the Palestinians roots here.

Jews were majority for many centuries before became minority.

Jews lived here for Millenia and than deportated to an another Millenia and a half.

But how I can know how to destroy nuclear facilities? 🤷‍♂️🏔🏭🇮🇷 It is only possible with Israel and US together.

Because this regime's ideology and set of values from them Israel seen to him as a total stranger that contradicts their religous perception for the region. At a similar way to ISIS that everyone who aren't soonies stand in the way of their religious vision.

This isn't to defend Right Wingers that their ideology isn't interesting me, but to keep a dangerous entity away from such abilities.

@zazen If neutralizing nuclear capabilities of a stage red-blue regime that offers to its citizens nothing but oppression and terror is still seen as a problem, it proves that the issue was never solely about Palestinians or Civilians from any specific nation, but rather mainly a deeper psychological or spiritual perceptions against Israel and the West in general, regardless of what the latter may or may not have done.

@Karmadhi Golan Heights are a quite different story but on most of the West Bank territory I can agree with you.

@Hatfort Using force isn't automatically a bad thing. The question is whether you use force as a part of a bigger holistic plan or not, and there is a large scale in between. Most likely the current Israeli system with all the security consultants who play a role right now too, is somewhere in the middle of this scale, what can still provide fruitful outcomes in the long run.