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@Tobia I'm sure israel is walking on eggs and tries its best not to kill civilians. Want to know how I know that? because 1.Israel is sensitive to international pressure and 2. Doesnt want to give hamas that pleasure to blame us 🙂 3. Israel is just much more moral but why would you believe that? You won't. So face 1 and 2 at least.

But Leo from where did you read that? And how do you know this is a reliable source? IDF spokesman didn't say that. I understand when you say you can't trust him automatically. But do we can just trust another sources just because they are not IDF is this mean they are objective? And just the logic of it is not possible because see - thats mean that on every hamas terrorist, 80 citizens have to lie on him like a blanket to be killed, but even then - will the soldier just kill them? It doesnt make sense not logically not morally and not intuitively. We speak now on the ground phase. The air phase has reduced quite significantly.

To the quiet readers Israel supporter here - Don't lose heart. The lesser (or greater?) Jihad who shows us its true face with swastikas in every protest, is always the loudest (as we know from london) and it easy to fall into the trap this it is the majority. It is not. According to Globes news: France - 65% of the citizens agree about the need to eliminate hamas. England - 50% blames hamas in the war. Germany - Support rate in Israel rises consistently.

@Lila9 I think that arguing about If hamas is like Isis or not will automaticly make the hamas=isis side loose points because it will make us seen as we insecure about this question. Sometimes when the answer is so clear and any other answer is rediculous, even letting a sliver of discussion is a mistake who wants to think they are not the same, will keep thinking that anyway even if hamas will kill 6,000,000 jews. I fear this discussion cannot be won in logical tools, as just as me and your's claims will be. Logic is just not strong enough, not as post-logic discussion which is much more efficient to truth seeking. I has fallen to the logic trap all those last 2 weeks here and it doesnt work. Who doesnt live here, doesnt see interviews and Israelis in his eyes and doesnt take Israel's perspective seriousely will just not understand. Its frustrating but true.

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That was so refreshing and pleasant for me to hear this psychological point of view, much much better than any politicial statement. Although this interview didn't end with any "knockout" to neither way, this is part of what beautiful in this, that made me sense of more acceptance and 'flow' with reality, as I felt from peterson's subtext at least how I interpret him. I felt his point of view was pretty fair towards Israel's, but also the fairest possible towards the palestinians situation in addressing their real root problem - their own self-tyranny, which nobody will be able to solve but themselves, in the same way that a mental disorder cannot be cured without the system realizing its own self-depressive actions (being projected away in the most toxic form ever possible onto Israel in this case). While I do admit that Israel has some responsibility for the intensity of the fire (the isolated settlements mainly) it is easy to miss out the fact that this is only a secondary surface level factor but not the root.

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@Lila9 They won't understand until it reaches them.

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@zazen What rediculous is the unfairness you guys have here in this discussion towards Israel, Israeli public and the inability to understand their perspective and feel the deep insecure and threat they feel in a way they have and probably YOU have never felt in the past as a western boy/man in a developed country like us. I just can imagine how would you react if your hometown was under similar threat and only 40km near you 1000 men, women, children and elderly would murdered by a terror organization who is deliberately looking for civilians like you. I bet you would react very differently and this is an understatement. Watch some interviews of Israeli families and give up the idea you can understand the situation from distance. As opposed to terror, a little modesty won't kill you.

No. this is rediculous. But still people disregard the need of israel to maintain its Jew majority in the population to deffend our value system and character in the only place in the world we can do that. Arabs should get full civil rights and ARE get it here by policy, and even though this is not 100% the case (human nature is to bias its ethnicity even a little bit more in subtle senses under the radar) arabs get every decent function in Israel society and this is great and we should always do effort to be as fair as possible and to improve more.

😂😂😂😂😂 Thank you for enabling me to laugh a little in those terrible days.

@PurpleTree Most likely the only way to free the kidnapped children, womem, babies and elderly from hamas is to invade gaza and put pressure on hamas. The negotiation way has already been tried and hamas put all of us in a psychological torture. hasn't work. Long term the western world will respect Israel only if Israel will respect itself. Its hypocrisy will get even more severe if we quit now.

And also the western world can at the same time see how bigger is the muslim world compared to Israel, but it chooses to filter out this perspective. But still, today the world understands us much better than it did before 9/11 and before the terror in Europe, and this will improve more in the future, so I choose to look at the full half of the glass.

New Zealand's and Norway's fault.

1954 BEFORE any occupation. BEFORE any policy. Brutal terror attack on Israeli citizens in massada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'ale_Akrabim_massacre The terrorists came from JORDAN. an independent coutry. What we did wrong? What did Israeil did wrong? shame on israel. If there was couple of buses with 1200 citizens, so they could kill 1200 citizens even then.

You are right, hezbollah could do the same tragedy to Israelis citizens as hamas did, but now we can prevent it from happening if we eliminate their force in south lebanon near our border.

I start to think that maybe the western world is expecting Israel to be similar to them (to the weatern world) because we are in the same camp as the western world (in term of development) and thats why the world is dissapointed when it sees Israel doing things that seems from distance as less moral, and respond to Israel in that way. Maybe its a bit naive to think this is only for that reason but I think this is at least a significant part of the reason the world shouts so easily on Israel. You shout only to whom you have expectations from.

Maybe they are jealous.

@zazen Israel left gaza and provided them food, water, medicine etc every day, because they dont have port and airport. Their missery is because of hamas. But you (not you specifically but everyone who is not by Israel's side) won't want to think that way, so you will find any acrobat movement to twist this upside down therefore the discussion is pointless as Gennadie said.

@zazen Terror: Exploiting a good thing from something/someone and using it against him. hamas do that. And of course the deliberate harm to civilians. Also only hamas.

Without emotion you loose touch with reality. If you think you can judge well this situation from distance you are deluding yourself. Much better approach is to study well the perspective of both sides including their videos, interviews, expressions, emotions, etc. Emotions are intelligent signs created from your subconscious which is a super computer whereas your conscious logic can only see a sliver of reality every time (few elements a second vs thousands in the subconscious).

You are free to think whatever you want. It is easy to judge when you dont have to deal with the most cynical, manipulative, shamelss and brutal terror organization on earth.

No. I do believe that hamas must be eliminated if we want to even think about piece, but we have to do it according the rules of war, what I'm pretty sure Israel does the best it can. @Jodistrict Israel these says is being supported more than ever, and this will improve more in the future. Lies tend to be exposed even if this is slow. I trust evolution. You dont know how much Israel was the black sheep at the beggining of 2000's. So i'm optimistic 🙂 About the controller of the world that you mention in the start this is a shallow conspiracy in my opinion.

But Israelis have deep insights that Jews abroad have not. You can't know who's perspective is "better".