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@Karmadhi I want to try to comment to you in a constructive way and not tomato-throwing which I think I am ok in and always try to improve, but after Leo's message I want to take it into account and respect this to deepen my awareness. I Don't want to feel I talk too much so I stop now and write you in the night (here).

If I may share my position. Every disagreement, argument, investigation, deepening etc is totally OK, interesting and desirable as long as the game is fair and there are no generalizations.

What do you mean? Feel its a mix depends on how triggered one is. But who isn't in defense? The question is only on what and how elevated is the value one defends. No interest at all to defend everything Israel does, but far from it. I am not identified with the right wing in general. If its ok to ask you what your main motivation here is?

I am willing to take the issue fluidly and even go half way to the other side and try always to improve the quality of my messages. However I see my function in this thread to provide insights from Israel's complex brain (this is what the twitts are for, for example) rather than any other source that only can provide actions the body decided on eventually. I admit I am not familiar enough though with the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Whatever satisfies those youtubers Green dopamine.

Where does this guy live? Lets assume randonally (since I don't know at this moment) France? Ok, then French people do terrible things like rape. How do I know that? Because statistically every day there must be at least one case of rape there. Thats it. I made the case. When use this kind of tactics, I can claim infinitely, to the negative or positive direction, about any country or group of people just however I want and it will be true. After that, those people like this guy will not have to be surprised when Israelis in the media (AKA propaganda) will say only the good things about Israel, because this is the only way they feel they can take action to balance the situation and achieve a fair outcome. It happens in the media as well as here.

Nice to know the Democrats didn't lose the trust despite Netanyahu. I am sure Lapid or Gantz's governments would have chemistry with the Democrats and Europeen leaders without any problems. Lapid and Macron are some sort of friends even.

Ironically 75% of the mainstream media here is in the Liberal side and talks on the hostages more than the war itself, on the need to think strategically and to make alliances in the middle east and to keep the bi partisan connections with US.

Part of Israelis of course the same.

The Israeli twitts-tree 🐦🌲 Israelis translated twitts.

@Hatfort The language and terminology the anti Israeli groups use just make it impossible for the brain to break it down to undistorted components. I do not know how to even answer to that and from where to start because the problematic ties inherent in it are so many and vast.

I understand this is unequal and unfair, and this is why I think for now that a demiltarized Palestinian state aside to Israel is the right thing to try. All of them to leave? I assume some of them will agree but some will want to stay since they feel connection to here what its ok and this solution seems good as it will also help to improve how they see the Jews. Physically I am not sure these are the correct numbers because West Bank is as big as the entire inhabited area of Israel (minus West Bank) especially when you add to that the fact this is a completely mountainous area what increases dramatically its surface area. Still not symmetric because Jews inhabitate part of it. But in terms of sovereignty the distribution is unequal and unfair of course.

But the distinction in our situation between the more native ones and the 'colonizers' is a false distinction to begin with since both sides are euqally native to this land if you zoom out enough and examine the real larger context and how the dots are connected very well when you see the great timeline and how the national karma works.

The thing is that when a murdering is done in the opposite direction those people would justify it as a natural way of resistance, but at the same time they fail to see the survival situation of the side they don't like, and they just choose to see everything it does as 'artificial', manipulative or evil, but this is a psychological bias that stems from their prejudices on it and the fact this side feels very stranger to them, and not from reality.

@Sandhu @Spiritual Warfare Glad to hear it helped. Thank you.

Of course. Projection. Be the content of the twitts true or not (partially highly streched and dichotomic), he isn't better by any mean than the relatively deep Right Wing Israeli sector he addresses.

The religion you are really against it is any thinking discipline that is taken as the real or right one above all the rest. You are very right when you feel suffocated from this narrow thinking pattern you feel as a thing that limits you and limits the world. Just that this problem is common to any other topic, ideology or a thinking pattern that is taken as the absolute.

The issue IS complex. You just see the West as a spirit-less unauthentic unnatural entity (whereas the Palestinians and Arabs as the only natural, organic, wisdom based...) and this subconscious view is projected now on every little thing Israel does or did. But this by itself is an artifical and biased view of course.

You yourself most likely wouldn't agree to establish your state on a random land others would choose for you. You would feel even more humilliated, empty and meaningless. This is what many people miss out and fail to see on this issue. The choice of Israel was inevitable after this trauma.

Because they are already Blue+ Not about Palestinians but about the Right wing of them and the extremists.

But stage Red life meaning and sense of purpose is gained by ever expanding and conquering, what would make extremists groups like hamas, Hezbollah and the like act the way they act even without any oppression or injustices, but just from the fact that an unwanted stranger is stuck between them.

I understand, yes, but I didn't say 'out of context' about that, but about the displaying of the evil way Ben Gurion did as was "THE way" Israel has founded, which is unfair because it was just a slice of the story of this giant long war, which even it was an end result of 30 years of escalation from both sides started mainly from the 1920s.

I wrote you what I think a page ago.

It is a bad unjustifiable part of the war, but a part of it. To generalize it to the way Israel has founded is like to saý that US is standing on the shoulders of slaves owners. Just out of context and proportions.

And? I explained the context after that you didn't read probably, and "dark side" doesnt mean he didn't have other sides to him.