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So what is your seggestion to prevent another 7.10? Sounds logic but thats how the brain works to prefer your tribe this is a deep wiring, Agree. The problem is broader. We left gaza in 2005 providing them every day basic needs they can't provide because they don't have maritime and air ways for good reasons. Israel let its prisoner humane conditions and even the ability to do a degree. This fake symmery is absurd. There is a night and day difference. What a convincing slogan. Muslims and Christians have 100 countries. Jews have one ethno state and need it to keep deffend their values. The second part is utterly absurd. More than 90% I agree. They are in their 20's and risking their lives but it won't convince you because you are emotionally against them anyway. You are totally wrong here.

@jaylimix What being Imaged is the simplisticity of things becuase our mind does superhighway shortcuts and what we see are schemes of reality that are partially or mostly false. The more you develop yourself the more you see the complexity and those schemes dissolve and upgrade themselves. To say that everything is equally imaginary is a simplification I don't agree with.

Maybe but I think they needed the hostages alive to survive because otherwise they would have 100% been eliminated. Now they have at least a chance to make a deal to save themselves and their hold on Gaza. Also some of the hostages were murdered.

This is engineered by hamas:

Let alone the fact that many of these soldiers are around age 20 and slightly above. They are half-kids.

Do you mean that you see them as less evil now? I think they didn't hold the hostages alive because of humane reasons (maybe in the micro level, every terrorist can be re-shaped if got to know the other side closely as was with the kidnappers I want to believe it) and after the horrific things they did that are way more than "just" to kill, I really don't want to think about them in any other, way at least not in the macro level, apart of an Isis like organization.

Violent murdering indoctrination vs non-violent metaphorical scheme kids learn in Torah lessons in 2nd grade when god talked to Abraham. Wow. I can't stop staring this art of symmetry.

@bebotalk But don't you think palestinians are much more wrong from the fact they educate their children to hate, jihad and killing others?

+1 ❤ The fake symmery and the myth of "just two sides of the same coin" (so romantic) must be stopped because it only gives a price and an advantage position to the less developed side, and as we have seen again only 2 days ago in Tulkarem, not in the very healthy zone of the spectrum.

@Parallax Mind Exactly. Toxic neutrality and toxic extreme relativism eventually serves the less developed side in this case the Palestinians. The situation is not symmetric at all, but it doesn't release Israel from responsibility to do trust building steps.

@bebotalk This is wrong. You are invited to visit Tulkarem and if you will be able to stay alive there you can visit the electric poll on which two palestinians were hanged two days ago after been suspected for cooperation with Israel while all the crowd shout and cheer in glee in front of them. There are NO two equal sides here. This is NOT "just two sides of the same coin." Israelis have western values and western culture at the same development level as US and part of Europe (except northern Europe). Palestinians have mainly red to blue culture and probably on the less healthy side on the spectrum. Yes Israel has the responsibility to do necessary steps on its side to help promote peace with the Palestinians while the Palestinians have to stop being serial peace refusals.

Its absolutely shaking just the thought what would happen to them and how those kids themselves would manage if they would not release. Infinitely ungraspable.

Maybe the leadres are just more experienced and mature than the average young protestor and know that ceasefire won't solve anything as long as hamas is in charge on Gaza. I can agree about the problem with the ever expansion of the settlements in the west bank and if a demonstration talks about this thing sepcifically I can even understand. But rarely this is the real goal of a pro palestinian protest and rarely you will see a protest with that much specific narrative.

@kenway That is a very interesting theory but problematic and fulled with flaws. What I know is that in the early 2000's Israel was MUCH more hated when the world was quite sure those suicide bombers are actually a freedom figthers. I live here, I was a teenager in the 2nd intifada and the vibe we got from the world then was so different for the worse. From then, a handful of peace negotiations between Israel an the Emirates, Bahrain, Morroco, Sudan. A normalization with Saudi Arabia when for the first time Israeli commercial airplanes can fly upon their country. The world today understand better than ever that the palestinians are serial peace refusal and also have a big part of the responsibility for the problem. Let alone the arab world understands this. The demonstrations are maybe more ebullient these days but this is also more trendy today to be special and fight for your truth. In Israel too the inner demonstrations had expanded quite greatly in their volume over the last decade and a half. Also don't forget Europe today is fulled by arab refugees what wasn't at all the case in 2006.

Last night with it's infinite cruelty hamas seperated in purpose between family members contrary to the deal and left a mother as a hostage while her daugther was released. Also it's not that hamas wants to release anybody in a good gesture, it just doesn't have a choice after being under a military pressure and needed couple of days to re-arm. Thanks to that the deal made possible.

@BlueOak Actually there were also security specialists who made the ground operation to delay and thats because of the claim @jaylimix explained quite well. 1. I think this is not so realistic. Almost only a deal can release the hostages and the only reason the deal exists is because of the military pressure. 2&3. Only diplomacy attitude has already been tried before the invasion. 4. Can you give an example? Interesting. I agree that we have to come from a position of force. 5. Israel has given tens of thousands of Gazaians work permissions in the south of Israel for years. 6. Netanyahu indeed has not invested enough in the geopolitical tools and he actually helped hamas to grow. So yes if you mean that Israel should use more the political tools as a complement to the military force I agree. Prison camp of hamas upon its citizens. Gaza is an independent state from 2005 with no maritime and air ways this is right but for good reasons.

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Sorry if I wan't clear but I wrote this sentence about him in humor. But it realy suits him to say that.

This is not the root cause. The root cause is the unhealthy self tyranni the palestinians have on themselves, like the system is acting against itself and they project it out onto Israel. And what is the root cause of that disorder? maybe their feelings of inferiority on the fact that for centuries they didn't have a nation on their own whereas all the other ethnic groups in the middle east had. The settlements are a trigger, but Israel does have responsibility to minimize triggers and to respect this system needs to help it to heal.

UN secretary: "an Inappropriate criminal hucking"

@Karmadhi Most american citizens support Israel, and most Europeens also support and understand Israel's right to deffend itself. Most europeen leaders also understand what Israel does in the big picture. Of course nobody likes to see innocent citizens pay the price of this war and the emotions are mixed and it is very understandable. Does it mean there is no place for critisizm about the surgicality of the air attacks? This is also understandable. Maybe there is room to make more effort to attack more accurately but this is really a kind of thing that is very easy to judge from a distance when you don't have to deal with a terror organization that assimilates between civilians as much as possible. This does not invalidate the understanding and support in the macro level. Both considerations can be held by the same person as people are themselves complex.

The silent majority shows himself again 🥰 Unfortunately the moderates and the developed ones who doesn't fall into simplistic juicy slogans and twisted on its head manipulative schemes, are less prone to jump into protests, but this is the nature of these things. But from time to time we see a really non-violent, mature and heartwarming tribute like this. https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz6D1nsthVI/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Doesn't make sense to me but even if its true, now when hamas survival depends (in their eyes at least) on the international pressure on Israel (and come on, hamas controls the health ministry's statements) they will do everything to exaggarate the numbers to the sky.

They are for sure mixing it all out. In their eyes every Gazaian is authentically a combatant and vise versa. They doesnt do the seperation in their mind that we do. And also exaggarate this tendency intentionally.