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@zazen Zionism = The aspiration to establish a Jewish state in the land they had sovereignty in the past. The decision to interpret it in a "fundamentalist" manner is arbitrary and subjective. The original term is healthy, or to the very least neutral, and does not say anything against the right of the Arabs to have their own state too in this land, aside the Jewish one.

This is so crystaly clear transparent.

When the camel acts proportionally for 10 other operations spreaded over 2 decades you didn't care, but when the last straw causes his back to break and made him to behave aggrresively, you guys only look at the last scene and choose to overlook the whole movie.

But hamas came here with their preplanned intention to kill as much civillians as they can. IDF came to Gaza in response (didn't want that, and the ~10 Billion dollar upper and under ground fences it built show that) to kill hamas, and a bad and not careful policy made too much civillians to get killed too, but this wasn't desirable.

This is the giant issue of the most complicated argument ever 😝 That most of them are hamas, and the conditions of the others (suspects) I am sure not even close to the level in Iran, what does not mean they are out of problems and I am not justifying them. Israel was under a huge threat from 6 Arab countries, and are highly treatened today too though not in the same way. I commented to this above too and for me at least those examples seem weak and subjective. I can't see much similarity to what Israel faces. Apart from the example there that Israel sold weapon to problematic regimes that this specific example is indeed pretty solid. May I ask from where are you?

The way they sponsor global terror, the way they arm Hezbollah and hamas, the way they arrest rebels against the regime jail them without sentence and make them just disapear from their loved ones sometimes forever, and even this if they are lucky. The way they restrict freedom of speech, the way they oppress and arrest protestors. Very reasonable.

The way they sponsor global terror, the way they arm Hezbollah and hamas, the way they arrest rebels against the regime jail them without sentence and make them just disapear from their loved ones sometimes forever, and even this if they are lucky. Very reasonable.

Former Israeli Air Force Commander Eitan Ben Eliyahu: "To enter Rafah now and risk hostages lives? We will regret it in 5 or 10 years. The hostages are the first priority."

@Raze Sounds like when the Nazi regime tried at the beginning to show they want peace or something. But again they don't represent 80% or more of the Iranians who are reasonable people.

Agree. hamas has been proven to have very sophistcated protective abilities and it is not so "weak" relative to IDF in this regard. But it isn't surprising when we think about that. When you have physical inferiority you will work for years to compensate on that.

I think that hamas is indeed the main obstacle, but I fear Netanyahu takes the time purposely and does not do all that he can to make the hostages be released.

@ted73104 Perhaps you are right that killing an Iranian general or a nuclear scientist is wrong, or at the very least may not be a useful step to prevent Iran from being nuclear. But nuclear capabilities in the hands of such a regime might be a dangerous thing. Wereas most likely this regime won't use this capability in practice, it is better to not take that risk. The Iranian people have the right to enjoy whatever technologies they want, but their fanatic regime I think shouldn't have that right.

This is true. *Netanyahu doesn't care, and probably screwed the negotiation too.

@Raze This theory doesn't make sense at all. Israel knows it needs US (mainly) and Europe support, so it will try to overall minimize killed number. Wereas hamas wants the west to stop Israel therefore will try to maximize killed number.

@Karmadhi This is laughable and totally absurd and out of logic.

Of course there is a totally unproportional judgment of Israel in comparison to the vast majority of war zone conflicts outhere, blatantly uncompatible to far worse killing ratios in them, to which the explanation - to this special judgment - cannot be found in the logical world but in the spiritual one. Anyway, just like you mentioned, me too have no problem at all with fair critisism, as long as the discussion is reasonable and not devloved into demonization, and it is still possible occassionaly here, though not most of the time.

According to Gaza health ministry?

+1 ❤

I don't understand what you mean. I saw now that the conservative assesments give Gaza war a ratio of roughly 1:2. 66% of the killed are civilians and 33% hamas terrorists. Even 1.5-1.7 civilians to every terrorist according to Israeli assesments from January-February.

@Karmadhi What is low and high profile in this regard?

Who is the 1 and who is the 10?

@Karmadhi If you were honest you would not say "murdering" but rather a neutral word like killing because the chance is high that this was a mistake.

In meanwhile, learn from the greatest teachers - your thoughts and emotions. But anytime there is a new vid this is always very interesting to me.

Here in the left is Meirav Cohen who is a knesset member from this party. She told that in her opinion the number one issue is the hostages and that we must keep this issue on top, because the hostages families are just "dying inside". She said that she does not understand how our soldiers came out of Gaza at the negotiation time, because it weaken the pressure on hamas. She said she respect the right wing perspective too even if does not agree with, and that "Reality does not found only in one side because reality is complex".

For sure there is. Bias is Experience too. It goes both ways. A personal experience from your angle. Especially an Israeli one when the issue is Israel-Palestine. You can call it bias, I would call it an important piece of the puzzle you cannot just overlook and actually you need. I am sure that every one here has his own life experience that design his emotions about many important issues, including this. Everyone see the issue from a slightly different angle what is inevitable.