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When Israel let thousands of Gazans to work in its area for years, when Israel proposed the palestinians countless times a solution for the conflict, when Israel built a billion dollars fence to not have to mess with Gaza, when Israel gave hamas hunderds of million of dollars of qataric money for years to help him become more moderate...

I can undersrand the concern when a foregin country (from your view) bombs a small country for a while when after that the aid for this country people started to lessen. This smells bad and listen. I can really understand the conotations it brings. But a good production still doesn't mean reality. When I, at least, take a closer look I see no real "flesh" inside this eco chambered genocide narrative of the anti Israeli camp, and I wrote what I think countless times, so I want to ask you, if you disagree with me, why do you think there is a genocide? Nevertheless, what I can admit is that Netanyahu's policy is highly irresponasible, harmful, cost lives of Gazans, clumsy, selfish, personal survival based and amateur in the way he manage this war. I think on that we can maybe both agree.

This is really true. They are the last ones to stay after everything dry out at the beginning of May. Another photo of them I took today, in Modiin, which is exactly in the middle way betweem the coastal plan and Judea mountain - the mountain shelf.

@Girzo If you would say that they do this strategy BUT Israel is responsible too because isn't careful enough, I would perhaps agree with you. Sounds like you (almost) canceled hamas part and that is your right but it is hard to make a reasonable discussion in that way.

Do you add to this equation the human shield strategy of hamas, or you think they are innocent and dumb that just surrender their physical inferiority and let IDF kill them? Right. A mistake of IDF. Right. No.

Leo I understand this whole issue is so complicated right now and you don't have to agree with me, but what would you do if your friends and their family members you know from Las Vegas were hostages in mexico and found in a risk of executing, when their parents, friends and siblings are blocking the border to reduce aid from entering the bombed mexico in order to put much more pressure on mexico leaders - when they know much of this aid is abused and utilized by mexican terror groups for themselves - until mexico leaders will agree to release their loved ones. Would you just arrest them with all of your power? or that you would round the edges, and let them partially block the passage because you identified with them deeply?

@Exystem Your camp always discusses so maturely 🥰

I would like to give you an example from what I did and worked for me. Hope today or at most tommorow I will be able to.

Yes they are now at their peak Exactly!! I will send you more photos I took in my trip soon.

@royce Save this pro palestinian narrative to your own thread.

@Merkabah Star This unfortunate vortex both hamas and our Netanyahu-BenGvir ultra right wing government were pumped into and have mutual responsibility to is too complex in my opinion to make this thread an another more of a kind debate.

Fundamentaly emotions cannot be grasped but relatively to one another. That is why if you want to feel more happiness you need to embrace more your dark side. Happiness in its root correlated perfectly with your ability to love yourself, but love is being tested when it is difficult.

I think you brought a too high stage for people to be able to comment and give examples 😄

I am with you in that. Netanyahu's general head in a wall approach and his refusal to speak about geopolitical actions after the war pisses Biden off and I understand Biden here.

The ultra right wing government* Sorry that we needed to become powerful to survive against 6 arab countries.

Link? Yes Israel is to blame in everything happen in Gaza. Not hamas who brought them to sub conditions for years and now contributes to this too in this war.

https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/hyahskak0

@Karmadhi Russia-Ukraine is a war between two organized militaries when Israel-hamas is a war between an organized military to a guerilla organization who compensate its physical inferiority with human shield highly sophisticated strategics.

This is true that our society faced serious inner clashes a year ago, when extremist right wingers tried to reform the courte leaded by Netayahu's conflict of interests in this issue, but this war turned back this trend to a much more united society.

Why its foreign policy closedminded? Edit: If you mean to the way it manages the conflict with the Palestinians so yes its limited. I thought you are talking about other things.

Thanks, all good 🌼 I appreciate it.

I wish (like you I think) that Israel will find a way to fight terror organization in Gaza or in Lebanon without much civilian losses. But people here overly and sometimes I feel cruelty judge a situation they don't need to really deal with.

~ 45% of Israelis are secular Jews ~20% traditional not so religious ~14% tradinional tend to religious ~11% religious ~11% ultra orthodox By a poll done in 2022.

So the west is selfish evil and Palestinians who hang gays and cooperators on electric polls are victims? That simple? Help me understand this logic guys.