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@Karmadhi Israelis can say things from an extreme rage but in their default mind state of 95-99% of Israelis they (my feeling from 36 years here) will never support a murder of civilians. But within the culture of the palestinians the whole values and grasp of what is a human and what is humanity the picture is drastically different.

@Karmadhi The 1/2 orange 1/2 green people here are ~40% if to judge by the parties relative power and don't have the majority. That is the problem here. If you aren't the majority you can be completely out of the government.

Israel as a whole is Blue-Orange-Green similar to US. The current government though is the most extreme since Israel established and is very blue and also unhealthy. But there is no genocide at all, and almost nobody there seriously supports "genocide".

@zazen Both sides act from an accumulated trauma yes, but only the stage red + pre existing unhealthy violent tendencies side will translate it into ISIS.

I started, hoped to a serious video but 5 seconds barely passed and a stupid girl say "they have to dieee" and then I realized it gonna be another childish propagandist video. But I am not loosing hope, and I will watch anyway.

The thirst for justice and the emotions when someone isn't educated about this so tricky issue is very understandble. But this is only a phase, and if holywood people are intelligent and sensitive (and I believe part of them are) then they will understand the truth later in their life. A bunch of holywood folks are already understand and much more emphatetic of Israel.

A very good point in my opinion. It is estimated by ~500km(!) of an underground terror tunnels built state. Very oppressed 🙂

A decades long trauma. Now the patience is over and the pressure cooker overflowed.

@Raze Policy of not letting them air and marine ways is justified when a terror organization is in control. Bibi made hamas stronger on that I agree with you.

@Raze No. Israel wanted the women first and hamas refused.

But they would not agree that is what I am saying. Because the price they demanded on only 1 soldier was already a thousand. So 240 for thousands? Sounds not realistic to me. I believe if it could happen it would already done.

What you wrote is applying to both sides in the argument here. But at least I am not denying problems of our side, but I stress about context and proportionality of the critisism what I try to do myself. What happens on this thread is not at all a fair nor mature critisism but rather a complete dehumanization based on cherry picked radical examples technique. I dont hate Arabs at all. This is not about arabs at ALL. I have rather an emotional charge on the Palestinians, yes. I know many of them are really innocents including the million brainwhashed toxicated for life poor children. In the other hand, the seperation between hamas and adult Gazans is a myth. Still we have to be careful and not to make generalizations but every survey and even tangible behaviours will show you that hamas ideology is quite well sits in the mind of many of the civilians there.

Not logical. When we had to release only 1 soldier (Gilad Shalit) we needed to release 1000+ terrorists. So now they would just agree to free 240 for couple of thousands? I can't see this can happen.

+1 ❤

The worst kind of suffering possible that is for sure. The suffering of the hostages sitting there for, in their mind, eternity, and can be executed at any moment is totally another league. 130 of them. Not similar to anything else we see from both sides even in this war.

Why do you think hamas would just agree to release them? Does not sound reasonable to me.

@Raze Another one that holds the 0.01% most radical views in our society. from a couple of years of hearing about his views I know this. But hey, this is the game of this thread I kind of used to it.

@zazen A palestinian state = no more settlements expansion. They refused to that. How is the city of Ariel can risk the palestinian state? If someone needs to be really afraid is Ariel's residents. Some extremist settlers (a very tiny minority) that do violent are not at all a security risk to the new state. But if you mean that Ariel has to evacuate, then this is of course not realistic at all, and just proves even more that the Palestinians will make any excuse to not reach a deal.

The "genocide" claim is a total joke 😄 But problems with IDF behaviour? Yes. Of course there are problems.

Not at all from neutrality. From a combination of two main positions depending on the population (but there are more less dominant): 1. Stage red to blue point of view holds by hundreds of millions from where aljazeera for example takes its influence. 2. Stage green good intentions but naive "victim-opressor" scheme that doesn't hold at all in this conflict and actually very twisted in many senses in reality.

Quite a lot of supported evidence have been accumulated throghout the years from the 1920's until today.

+1 ❤ I agree also with the rest but this part is worth emphasizing. It also worth emphasize that Israel, as oppose to the palesinians, has shown very serious desire for peace over the years and there was always one side who rejected all of its proposals. This is true though that the deep right wing in Israel is also problematic and makes the process harder, but still not even close to the degree the palestinians screw up the process again and again.

+1 🧡 Peace isn't their interest. Peace isn't their motivation in life. Their life meaning isn't about to just live in a functional country. Not at all. Israel is like a short circuit gets in the way of the Islamic fundamental point of view having its roots many centuries ago. I will try to find an english version of the interesting interview I heard from a mediteranean expert his claims and perspective are really worth considering.

@zazen Nothing is good enough for the Palestinians. Even when many countries were mediates in the negotiations including Russia and the Arab League. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference They just know that if they agree a deal, it mean the acceptance of Israel and the Jews right to settle here in an independent state. Their true goal is to diminish Israel completely.

@Karmadhi Didn't the countless peace offers mean to put the ego aside?