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OK there aren't 1500 murdered, no one has been kidnapped to Gaza and houses near Gaza border hasn't been burned. Everything was invented,

When reporters in Israel say a house in Sderot has been damaged from a hamas rocket, this is oftentimes a hole in one of the house's walls. Deadly to a human, but easily fixable. At the same way the houses in a street in Gaza that have been damaged indirectly from a bomb fell on only one of them. In the articles in the links written 50% "damaged or destroyed".

No doubt the damage is greatly in excess to what it could be. The question is what % of the houses have some damage? because a big % of them can have still a mild damage and be counted in the same group of the "damaged and destroyed". Because again every direct bomb to 1 home will likely damage also the surrounding buildings that are far more in quantity. The explosions are huge. Especially in the perhaps most dense place in the world.

If the actions of hamas are a myth in your opinion then how I am as an Israeli suppose to relate to all the other claims you make?

@Leo Gura Here is written 35%: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/satellite-images-show-35-gazas-building-destroyed-un-says-2024-03-21/ Here 50% damaged or destroyed. But a small damage also counts as 1 house? how it is being counted? https://www.axios.com/2024/04/07/gaza-infrastructure-land-damage-israel-six-months-war I will add another one shows it is more (50-61%) but again damaged or destroyed: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68006607 It is not unrealistic to say a bomb to 1 house causes indirect some damage to 10 more unintentionally.

This isn't about the court but the prosecutor. Not to defend Netanyahu but to come out against baseless accusations or strechings that many of them sounds to me more as far reaching fantasies and wishes of the mind than the much moderate reality.

The only thing the court can cite at that stage is the prosecutor claims. Prosecutor can claim Israel is responsible to the rise in sun spot events.

A society found under a constant feeling of threat for decades, and particullary now, has a stronger feeling of collectiveness what mimics the social conditions of a tribe our psychy is built the best for (for evolutionary reasons).

Many things you wrote here are false, and part of them are maybe not false but more rare. Please provide proofs/links for them because your accusations here are very far reaching.

Of a conflict triggering both sides to react in uneffective harmful ways.

Ask your European leaders too what is their threshold in Iraq, and don't just invent numbers. The civillians estimated number is 10-15K to this time.

This is night and day different in terms of the psychy level of the person stands behind the attack.

You are describing this like the problematic actors were the "majority", but the reverse is true.

Don't attack him he is a really good guy 😅

I appreciate how you displayed the things in this message that feels to me as decent. Someone I know is operating in Gaza right now and I really feel concern for him, when the operation now in Rafah seems to me as more of a trial to soften somehow hamas in the negotiation, rather than a genuine part of a smart strategic plan to establish a new pragmatic Arab rule in Gaza. As long as our government isn't being replaced, I prefer (anyway I prefer but let alone now) he won't risk himself and get out. I just don't trust the people who send him to the field.

I can agree that there is more room to do more effort to minimize casualities and our current leaders maybe somehow round the edges here, about the material destruction too, and about what I see as the loss of discipline among some amount of soldiers that take the law to their hands, with some reinforcement from the current political environment that in charge. Can you acknowledge the 50% part of responsibility the other side has too to how all that conflict has unfolded during the decades?

Keep fantasize, illusionize, generalize and do fake symmetries.

Ok but the way he sees only his survival and capable to risk the country's foundations if helps him to survive right now, what wasn't the case in most of his rule years.

Because there is indeed that phenomena of devolving in the spiral the longer your rule last, just as happening now to Bibi became almost purely stage red. But if you broaden it to the whole government, parliaments, activists and of course voters, all these giant networks of both countries are communicating between each other in ways that I think for sure involving those subconscious values. Especially between relatively developed center-left governments. Of course the power and the ego will mix in all of this, but I think this is only one factor.

You are looking on this from a narrow limited view which is very far from being the whole picture. And yes, if any country in europe were get trapped in such an existential threat the young Israel has been in, they would also built very strong schemes in their minds about the societies of their surrounding countries, do gross generalizations and do the exact same mistakes Israel has fallen into. France even admitted at the beginning of the war it would behave just like Israel and even worse.

In the core I would say the individual freedom to lead his life as he wants to. This is the real glue behind the scenes. This western value easily being taken for granted because we are fishes swimming in it for decades.

Or just that, maybe, US and some of the west know Israel from a much broader perspective of (yes, interests, but also) common values, former governments throughout decades, bidirectional potential help with some common similar threats etc.

Agree because it will boost the moderate sectors in their society. By the way this week we had a family meeting in which my sister's boyfriend was too, and he told about how it was for him to be a soldier in the west bank when his group needed to enter to totally innocent Palestinians families homes in the night just to show occurance and domination. If you look at him, his speaking and his views (center-left according to his talking in this conversation) you would see a regular good boy, utterly non-machoistic at all that said it had no choice and needed to do that. Of course there are other soldiers that are different but it showed me the gap between the policy written from above, and the actual soldiers (boys... ages 18-21) in the field more sharply than ever.

Even If it would allowed I don't know if it would change hamas behaviour there that was not less cruel even to PLO people they were executed when they took the charge from them. I don't agree with our government approach, I just think I can understand how it looked from its eyes - an unjust reward for the terror after oct 7th that for the Israelis was their worst nightmares came true (and this last sentence I think too).