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@kenway What you see as 'ultra ultra' is relative to your coordinate in the map which is itself seems extreme in my point of view. I agree with you that he has some very right wing positions but aside with a deeper understanding than any of us of the middle east and middle easterns mentality and way of thinking.

But to be fair Netanyahu is equally an obstacle to the agreement just like the Palestinians.

This is not Israel values but the deep right wing ones. Israel is very diverse between different groups and opinions.

@Twentyfirst An intentional violent against civilians is not acceptable. I mean they could actually build without ask near the settlements, and to protest if Israelis would resist. But even easier than that they could accept the peace proposals they have got. Israel deep right-wing tend to care more about land and religion. The light right wing is diverse between that and the 2 state solution at least before oct 7th. The center and the left wanted 2 state solution and care less about the land according to what I always hear.

Good idea. Why didn't they do that? Maybe because they don't so much care about more land in a physcial sense, but rather to have the WHOLE holy land in an ideological sense.

@Girzo They partially cut out from the world for a reason. And yes they have responsibility for their situation. Everyone have full responsibility to work on their thinking patterns and their part in every interaction with others, be their situation fair less or more.

By Israel and Egypt I answered above about this to @zazen They have honestly earned the distrust towards them and why they can't allowed to have marine and air ways.

@Danioover9000 This is always the result of a positive feedback between the two sides, but they didn't let Israel any choice but to not let them this physical accesses, and they are the ones who refused to any proposal to an independent state and chose terror.

This is their problem after all the suicide bombing they did and when a terror organization is in charge there, they cant expect maritime and air ways. Gaza shares border with egypt too.

@Karmadhi Dont know what is "the way they treated". They are an independent state in Gaza and under the PLO in West bank. The settlements problem could end if they would agree to only 1 out of 4653 offers they got.

@Karmadhi There is only one side who initiates attacks against civilians and another side who never (99.9% of its society and the decades long proven policy) wants to do anything unless provoked and acts against the attacks source. Numbers worth nothing out of context.

@zazen I wanted to comment but this isn't worth it. Tell me when the 7.10 denial sub thread will end 🙂

@Karmadhi And the Allied killed 350,000 to 500,000 in WW2. Numbers are meaningless without big picture context.

What do you think the rational behind this if this is indeed a policy? If so, I want to believe this is only possible because of the current radical government the most radical since Israel establishment. Far right wing toxicity.

It is frustrating to hear about those dark cells within the system but it is very difficult to demand the whole system to be disciplined or equally moral, with all the depressing reality of the fact that bad apples can infect he whole basket reputation. @Danioover9000 As every military has and often even more than IDF if to be honest.

They are human beings. They have at the very least 50% responsibility to the conflict dyamics, aside with full responsibility to their thinking patterns. They can make conclusions in many directions.

I was indeed brainwashed by exploded buses and restaurants, missiles and shooting on civilians from (almost) birth.

"Only ceasefire can free hostages" A temporary ceasefire.

@zazen The weapon you mention is already exist.

This is just fair to counteract the palestinian propaganda MONSTER being spreaded to hundreds of millions in numbers we cannot compete with, unless we invest in our algorithm to the point it will be better than the other ones.

This is only a result of a complex positive feedback happened before that. Thanks to the fact they were kicked out of Jordan too. Its interesting they can never get along with roughly ANYONE.

They got almost 50-50 in 1947. They were offered 67 lines. The 90's agreements were all trust building tries. The whole world tried to help them including Russia and the Arab League but it didn't help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference

With that I agree. But no, the PLO are not open at all too and never were. They too rejected every proposal placed on their desk.

Palestinians are equally hostile to other countries too. Israel is not the source of the problem but an another trigger for them.