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@Hatfort I think you are wrong about Israel. The views about Israel even today are polarized and diverse.

@LSD-Rumi This is true to the far or even the classic right-wing, but the trend of getting closer to the center seems to me as healthy and a good thing.

Yes this is the problem with our method when every crazy knesset member can threaten to leave the coalition with all of his party members if the prime minister won't listen to him, so there is a lot of exortion here and kind of a tail that leads the dog. Every coalition which its members amount reduces to 60 or below will collapse and Israel will go to elections.

@Karmadhi You can see objectively in Wikipedia how many knesset members Ben Gvir and Smutrich parties got. Edit Ok I checked now 6+7 together 13 out of 120 which means ~11% of the population.

Yes such an insane cartoonish dehumanization no one takes seriously anymore.

That is why two state solution is the prefered one.

Yes maybe in the cabinet. But at least the coalition will shrink.

Is identity just a random thing or created for a reason? I think it is the latter.

But this is the mechanism the collective memory must have to be preserved.

But isn't the Bible also a deep reflection of the Jew's average state of mind and sense of belonging to here? I mean, it is circular.

@Vrubel The poisonous Ben Gvir wants now to join the core war cabinet. I glad Gantz left them this evening. Now the coalition has only 64 members. From below 61 they will collapse.

Former head of IDF (2002-2005) and minister of defense (2013-2016).

I see this as a deeper issue than the Bible because Jews were dominant here for many centuries until their most significant deportation in the 6th century. The right wing policy although isn't justified, is a karma result of a long term memory from what happened centuries ago, and actually not so far ago but from the 6th century and above. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

I tend to agree with that especially in this current most extreme ever government, though I think our right wing is also dynamic and radicalizes in response to the other side's attacks and strategic.

I agree about Netanyahu strategy to weaken the PLO and boost hamas which was a shame. Aside to that though there were actions costed Israel Billions of dollars that go against this aspiration at least in Gaza, with enormous efforts to establish an unpenetratable upper and especially lower ground deffenses with revolutionary technology, what would not have been done if the governent wanted to ethnically cleans Gaza.

But what about the exact opposite policy Israel did during all the recent years prior to oct 7th in order to avoid war as much as possible? Even the right wing is not a one-piece and updates its strategic in response to traumas/triggers.

@zazen I don't want to disparage anyone's suffering, but even being in the Jungle but with your tribe and with an humanitarian aid comes these days regulary to the tents region, is still miles away better than to be alone in a tunnel, without sunlight, cannot move or communicate with anyone, cannot control anything, defenseless and at the mercy of hamas people that will decide if and when they will want to murder you.

@Karmadhi Keep a check on your side's double standards at least sometimes.

@lina Ok then Ben Gurion was indeed quite far right-wing according to that. There is no "fundmanental" or "one" Zionism. Every side in the political spectrum see this term differently. At the deep sense there is a reason Jews returned here.

@Raze There were negotiations for many years. I won't dispute that maybe Israel was also too tough in its demands, but there was a genuine desire from Israel to acheive a deal.

The group did Oct 7 aren't interested in 67 but in 48.

+1 ❤️

@Karmadhi Nothing is compared to being alone with zero control on your life, utterly deffenseless and with no freedom of motion. A family in Gaza are in a far better initial position and the tents area is 99.9% safe.