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I really understand you. This is frustrating. They don't understand that 90% of Israeli Jews are westerners in all of their facets. Mentality, education and everything.

Israelis are no different in their mentality and development than the average of New York, California and Texas. And if you think they are, your view is highly deluded and you are not in a stable position to do a higher resolution discussion about the conflict.

@Karmadhi without even see it I choose to believe you and there are crap soldiers and bad husbands and bad human beings everywhere. You won't think differently anyway. No need to prove you anything.

@Heaven But the anti-Israel side here is attached emotionally to the palestinians. point. No matter what you will say against them, they will always be seen, through the anti-israeli filter here, as the under developed kid who just want to fight for his rights and by that logic they will always symphatize with them no matter how violent and animalistic they will be. Convincing is impossible. Only the more centrist quiet readers here can be somehow convinced.

@Karmadhi The West Bank is full of hamas terrorists with which Israel manages a low-intensity war since 2002, and co operates with PLO forces against them.

Every hamas terrorist is also a "killed palestinian" and 18 yo terrorists are a "palestinians children". I am done particiapting in the world naiveness towards the palestinians reports which cannot be relied. Thousands of hamas terrorists were arrested in West Bank since oct 7th this is already well known. Probably many of them eliminated during the operations I can guess. This is not to say there aren't at all killed civilians in the west bank and one of a time there is indeed such an isolated incident and I am not denying that. But if there are since oct 7th, they are for sure much much less than mentioned in this article.

Do you mean the PLO? This can explain many things, and not for good (if this is true). Can you add a link that shows that?

Agree, but when it becomes too rasping and dissonant it is better to point this out for what it is.

Yes it would be better if the eastern Jews used their connection to the Arabic culture they grew up nearby it, and utilize it to make closer relationships with the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs here, when our society were more acceptable to it. Every country will have to maintain some kind of a bubblish thinking in order to survive, and there is a tension here between this need and his personal need. But to draw this with only dark colors and to overlook hamas and Palestinians responsibility is an extremely biased approach he comes from and Owen nodded to with his head with that passion on his body language because it serves his anti Israeli emotional agenda. They are completely filter out the beauty and the many good sides and strengths Israel's society has. There are always trade offs with any direction we want to define ourselves towards.

Suffering is created when one of the sides in your mind tries to push his agenda by force onto the others, and prolongs as long as the sides aren't willing or don't know how to discuss between them. My definiton as I see it. I would like to discuss on this issue with you.

This is gonna create even more mental health problems, but this is unavoidable when green at the beginning moves too far away from its source.

Sorry to hear 🙏💛

Elevated in some sense but 'forgot' and declined in others yes.

@Heaven I will tell you why. When you grew up in a democracy you take it for granted, and you will actually attract to the shadowic "bad guy" you crave for because he represents the stages / places in your psychology you have not yet fully confronted and integrated their healthy form, and the attraction you feel is your subconscious way to show you that you need to do this. Many people will see it in that way and some in totally different ways.

@Karmadhi They don't want enough, or they are caught in a war between two voices one who wants a state and another who wants to stay in the victim position and an independent state treatens him. If they really wanted a state it would have happened a long time ago.

@LSD-Rumi And this kind of dangerous regime should not be allowed to have a nuke. This isn't about Iran as an interesting country with a diverse culture, but about the regime.

@Merkabah Star Just to cease the fire and end the war won't do any good if hamas will be able to take control again, Gazans children under his cult will be even more misserable now, and Israel will be seen as the defeated one who could not handle hamas, what will make her reputation and situation only worse. The ground operation is anyway the dominant one right now when the activitiy becomes more and more specific, and there is no reason to stop it.

@Merkabah Star Everybody does some projection and it is anyway not an excuse to dismiss the claim. When something wake up your shadows and you project them on it, there is also a reason found in this something, not only in you.

But the degree of truth is not the same.

@Merkabah Star He is trying to make a reasonable discussion even if you don't like some kind of style, he is still fair in his messages.

@zazen It can be simply (though costy, but absolutely possible) fixed by bridges and tunnels.

Intuitively feels here even better to the Palestinians.

No, because if you don't count the desert, Israel has in 1947 map much smaller area than the Palestinians.

@Heaven I write this also for the other passive readers here 😁

@Twentyfirst If I put aside the whole process you described which is highly delusional to my opinion and far light years from the empirical truth. Still, if we say theoretically your picture was right, the Palestinians have right now, anyway, a very significant potential ground area in the west bank to their countless times offered state, and if we add Gaza to that (of after the war) we get quite good area to their state, in which the Jew minority can live peacefully with them at least on the paper, realistically they will in high chance be in danger. Central Israel is actually identical to this area if not narrower. I will add a map to here. Then what is the point of the killing and raping? I cutted the desert which isn't not important but most Israelis are rarely there (2 to 3 weeks of a year on average) and the quality of the ground is not nearly as good. To be fair I add the detailed west bank map too in which we can see when the Jew minority will live (purple spots).