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They should = who?

@Breakingthewall The Camel's back has been broken eventually.

@Raze Oh OK then hamas is ok until proven behind any doubt that he isn't and Israel is anyway the war criminal. Go for whatever make you feel good. There were many videos shown in them that hamas shoots citizens who try to take food but it won't convince you anyway. Good night 🌔

@zazen Obviously hamas doesn't care at all about the citizens and take the food to itself as much as it can. Less aid can make the citizens put pressure on hamas to agree a deal and even more so to make hamas fear about its own food supply.

@Raze How simple and convenient. You have to fine tune the aid to maintain some pressure on hamas to agree a hostages deal.

I understand now you didn't want to equate Israelis approach on Gaza to "hitler" but just showed an example of a militant approach. Thank you too for your openness and make your own conclusions and if things are disturbing you open them and we can talk.

To ensure the whole body's long term health (Israelis + Palestinians) you need to decide who is the real virus (terrorist) and who is the immune system even if indeed overreacted and caused extra damage. Being neutral won't do any good long term.

Part 2 of @Anton Rogachevski Link summary. You want to believe it ok, you want not to believe ok too I only can put this here. I know the Israeli culture for 36 years and saw and heard conversations and our education for years. Not just the trauma response you judge.

I won't respond to that. This is insane. Check your comparisons and pre biases about Israelis you have a lot of work to do from what I see.

@Anton Rogachevski Great interview. Since he is an ex-Gazan I feel it is more important than usual to sammaries his interview more prominently this time.

It is hard to do self reflection in a thread infected with toxic unjust rediculous misunderstanding of Israeli culture.

@Raze Yes very sad. Don't forget to blame also hamas in this, he is the main responsible. Thank you.

@Karmadhi Ok as I suspected - a waste of time 🙂

@Raze I think you cannot expect empathy from pro Isralis here if you refuse to acknowledge Israelis trauma and instead just dehumanize them and avoid responsibility from your side. This conflict will end when both sides will recognize their equal right and belonging both of them have on this land. After all, most of the Palestinians came here only a little before Israel was established.

@Karmadhi You chose to run away from the question above. The excess material damage problem is real with this I agree. Israelis are also getting killed every day in Gaza if you weren't pay attention. An exercise question: would you react the same if Portugal murdered 1500 spanish people and Spain in response would act similarly to Israel (which is very likely)?

Sounds like he hates and fear his own tendencies and thats why he projects this out to others to compensate on his uncomfortable feelings and feel better with himself.

Yes this topic is not logical in its essense. It is a spiritual topic.

Do you understand that hamas survival strategy, just like breathing, is to hide as cleverly as it can behind civilians?

@Karmadhi And this is why I feel I can't discuss with you. You are conspiring whatever you want out of your hat 🪄

@Raze You have to site accurately. She said "... what the Jews did, that their families have been murdered, that have been raped and their civilians were kidnapped". Can you see the trauma and difficult emotions behind Israeli public speakers talks, or that you only capable to see them as "bad" or "rude"? How would you react if even 'only' 12 people in your village were murdered and kidnapped? Do you think you would not react militantly? Then you fool yourself.

I don't understand from the video on who she supports? I assume she tends to the democrats. The magic is found in the oscillation between left and right depending on the situation when the average is more close to the center. The hard core left is such a trap. And generally those are so boring years in music and she is so overrated. I miss the high quality music of the 00's.

@Vrubel This is a waste of time. Most members here dont care about all the 100 times Israel tried to negotiate and believed the other side can be moderate and pragmatic and did many things to find a common ground. No. They will only care when Israel makes mistakes. They will cherry pick 1 overreaction and overlook 20 genuine trials done before that. The attacking on Israel is mostly psychological and spiritual and the real answer you will find in this world. Logic and detailes does not work.

Seems like you can invent anything at this point. When you want the day to turn into night I can't do anything about it. Think for yourself and thats it.

It is an indoctrination. To want something is one thing, and to give a gun to a 5 year old child, teaching him he has to kill other people including his own people in some situations is another thing.