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Ok I cannot deffend this. This is barbaric. Unfortunately such soldiers exist too ):

@Karmadhi Can you send me a link to the video of the 14 yo kid?

@Karmadhi Sorry this isn't aligned at all with what I know about IDF and its values. Not because I am biased but because I was also in the army and hear soldiers and Israelis for decades. Al jazeera claims are unreliable. This is 99.99% hamas members who been shot in Sheifa and I hardly believe it was in an execution way. Did you see similar videos from other sources? If so please send here.

Good luck with this 🙂🪄🔮

From al jazeera??

Who the hell tell you these are civilians and not hamas?

@Karmadhi IDF fights hamas people in Al Sheifa hospital. Do you believe that sheifa hospital is populated by only civilians? I mean now I understand what it was impossible to convince anybody also in Europe in 1940's. People don't learn anything. If you have evidence for something else, share them without siting this stage red propaganda source funded in million by Iran and wrote on his flag to destroy Israel by any mean.

AI cannot enter the right brain's expertise nor will ever can. Facing and learning from raw emotions is very important and unreplacable.

That is why it is dangerous to think AI will be objective. But anyway - a fascinating conversation (started to read).

Of course there is hamas in west bank. This is the whole point of why Israel arrests people there. That is why IDF is securely co-operates with the Palestinian Authority, out of a mutual interest of both sides to prevent hamas from growing there to the monsterous dimension it was in the early 2000's with the suicide bombing he did in Israel every couple of days.

I think this is a great thing as a tool to incorporate, but I have mixed emotions about this because the thought it will maybe make the person to not do humane conversations any more (like you wrote maybe sarcastically but whatever) make me somehow stressed to hear. I am a bit scared it will weaken our sense of humane-ness. But in a healthy balanced way, of course can help to learn things.

@royce It will be better if you will explain the "abusing palestinians in west bank" to make me understand what you mean. Only If you want.

@royce I don't see any flaw in moving your embassy to your ally's capital city, nor with giving palestinians east Jerusalem in the other hand. What is the problem with Golan Heights? Do you think Israel need to give them back? The state which is as big as a head of a bobby pin in an ocean of Arab land. Makes sense.

@Karmadhi Also see Bennett explanation to his position, and I choose to believe this is his thoughts: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20211011-bennett-says-a-palestinian-state-would-mean-a-terror-state/amp/ The claims against a Palestinian state are not out of evilness, but out of fear from more terror, just like we have seen from Gaza after we left it.

I refer to the whole message you wrote I read it all. See what I wrote here: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/100280-israel-has-to-be-stopped/?do=findComment&comment=1445305 Also Bennett said in 2014/5/6 (I don't remeber exactly the time but yes for sure what he said): "We are the only party who oppose palestinian state." His small party called "The Jewish home". "Likud" is traditionaly more for two state solution than against it, I would say at the very least half of Likud member are for it, for what I have impressed throughout the years, my feelings, not empirical. But Likud honestly has become more extreme last years because Netanyahu surround himself graduately by lower and lower quality people. Bennett "Netanyahu and Trump will establish Palestinian state": https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2019-02-25/ty-article/trump-and-netanyahu-will-establish-palestinian-state-after-election-bennett-warns/0000017f-f2b5-d223-a97f-fffdeb350000

@Raze When your perception of the other side is highly skewed to begin with, you will automatically translate every action he does in the field as an action of evil, because of the network of dozens of assumptions and interpreptations you do subconsciously.

@Karmadhi Ben Gvir represents up to 5% from the Israelis. Don't believe me just look at his party's relative size. IDF is in average FAR more moderate than the current most extreme ever government what is well known long before this war. This government is horrible I have no interest to deffend it. About the war, however, this is more fair to look at the picture with a real context of all the countless operations Israel already had in Gaza before this war, the character of your guerilla sophisticated enemy and the trauma you went through when someone breaks what you thought as your ever protecting home.

@Karmadhi You are highly doesn't know IDF soldiers and their level of humaneness nor developement. I live in a liberal town fulled with IDF air force families and they are humane and liberal as you will be surprised.

+1 ❤ See when you have enough confidence in your side's implicit missed out qualities and beauty, because you know your side for decades, you don't need to dehumanize or call down others to feel better with yourself.

Yes chris hedges. The one from that lecture. He knows us better than we are 😂 In 12 years of my school education I have not heard even one single word against the Palestinian civilians. We have learned about Israel's war and about the hope for peace.

@Yimpa And legal addictive pharmaceutical drugs too that people have to research the whole world to get to wean them down with years of micro tapering.

@BlueOak Ok, I thought maybe on overtraining but this is not the case.

@_Archangel_ Civilians will sadly always pay the price of their terror organization actions consequences, even if obviously they aren't the target. Say you are an Israeli leader in March 2002, in which another way would you suggest the army to do this operation? But remember, there is no option not to do the operation, because hamas is exploding busses and restaurants in Israeli cities almost every day in these times, and it must be stopped.

This is a problematic paradigm. Jew and Arabs lived here together for centuries, when during 20th century they increased in qunatity especially after the holocaust. The UN suggested a partition plan of roughly 50:50 in the area and the Jews agreed immediately. The Arabs refused and started a war in which the Jews almost lost and killed at the beginning when they were mostly deffensive. Today there are 2 million palestinians sitting in an area which is similar in its size to the populated area of the Israelis. More 2 million Palestinians settle in Gaza and another more 2 million within Israel right now peacefuly with the Jews! Gaza was left in 2005 by Israelis to have an independent state that have borders with Egypt and Israel that have to supply them basic needs, because they don't have marine and air ways due to their terror organization rule. I don't want to convince, do your own research, but to show what I think is important and missed out.

They don't have to fight a guerilla organization who disguises and protects itself with its civilians.