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But this will make things much worse.

@zazen You may be surprised but there is enough critisism in the exact issue you talk about from INSIDE israel and by Israelis, some of them are ex seniors in IDF. One noticeable example of that kind of critisism comes from Itzhak Brik.

I understand. Yes its easier to say than to act upon it. Anyway my motivation is to show what is really going on in Israel's brain, regardless of what the body, controlled right now by the tail, decides to do.

An interesting tweet of a knesset member from the Israeli "Democrats" opposition party, Efrat Rayten (translated from hebrew)

@Gennadiy1981 A Worldview and succeeding to implement this worldview are two different things. But the worldviews of this government and the center-left sector are very different.

@Gennadiy1981 I disagree. They have totally different values and worldview. No wonder people are afraid of civil war in Israel. Just to look on the dynamic here during the year before the war will give you the answer.

A knesset member of the "Democrats" opposition party, Merav Michaeli

A knesset member of Lapid's "There Is a Future" centrist opposition party, Merav Cohen (translated)

And then those gazans were stoned and killed. Cruelty to their own people just as to Israelis (I blurred it if you want to see enter the link). hamas is a bloodthirsty gang to just ANYONE they don't like. https://www.instagram.com/p/C9HrEXgo1zZ/?igsh=b3M1MGlkYXBpNHNi

Ok I did it. Part of what I read is reasonable and I agree with, and part of that doubt or cancel basic things the other side did. Some of that I even saw myself in social media or it was testified that is very transparent to me there is a denial here. I will keep looking but it is clear from reading those articles that the propaganda goes both ways.

@hundreth You agree too soon to that. I dont understnd why. I see something else. IDF says 14K "killed". Not "maybe killed maybe wounded..." https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-16/ty-article/.premium/israel-at-war-day-284-israeli-army-says-it-killed-half-of-hamas-military-leadership/00000190-bc80-d458-a3d7-bfe7f9e10000

@Raze The UN said 10K less 2 months ago (~25K)

The 38K is a combination of hamas combatants and civilians.

@Raze I compare armed terrorists to civilians.

(38.8-14):14= 1:1.8 Best ratio ever in a war of western military against guerilla, and with a big gap.

@Raze A combatants civillians ratio of 1:1 to 1:1.5 at most is far more careful than the ratios in Iraq that were 1:5 to 1:10. Is this careful enough? No. But the problem exists every time a western military has to deal with guerilla so be honest. https://x.com/yaakovkatz/status/1749870793486405750

Former Head of IDF (2002-2005) and Minister of Defense (2013-2016) Moshe Ya'alon.

Agree Not to mention how US and Europe attacks on Isis resulted in far worse outcome (equivalent to 10 twitter linktrees a day of @Raze) but the anti Israeli movement will never admit that.

Probably because the religion Identity is uniquely important in this area to preserve liberal values system, what isn't necessary in most of the world, and pesonally I am not attached to my religion not nearly as much I am attached to our values system.

One hundred percent correct. From all I have seen in the last 9 months this is crystal clear.

What do you mean here exactly? This government is very blue I won't deny that, but it is far from expressing the spiral picture of Israel this is why I like to add twitts from orange-green opposition parties people's talkings and opinions. It is difficult for me to see how the tale controls the dog with our parliament problematic method and affects the way my country is seen in an unfair way.

I am all into agreeing with the problems of this Netanyahu government I personally hate but the issue is too broad thats why I asked for examples. I will give an example from myself. The illusion of "total victory" that can take years when meanwhile the hostages are suffering and Netanyahu damages the chances for a deal purposely.

I feel the same comes from the anti-Israeli side not any less. If you have examples I would like to hear to understand you better.

@Karmadhi There was a civil war. There was no one side who decided to kick them all out this is a cartoonish oversimplification.