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@Danioover9000 If Israel won't succeed in its attemps to fend off Radwan forces far away from the borders through negotiations, then a war against Hezbollah might be necessary, even if neither of the sides wanted it to happen.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-accuses-hamas-of-being-obstacle-to-gaza-truce-after-rejecting-israels-proposal/

@Raze Israel only need to repel Radwan forces dozens of km northern the lebanese border, in order to them not being a threat to Israelis residents in the North, what could otherwise become a second oct 7th like attack. This is a serious threat caused Northern Israel residents to leave their homes in the beginning of the war.

Oh no problem update me! 😁

Eliminating hamas is necessary, but this war is done too hastly by our government and not in a smart way. The last thing Gazans need is that hamas will return control them what will be not less tragic than what already happened to them. They deserve a real change that at least something good will come out of all of this mess.

Neither. We just had some fear from it and we planned when to go to the shelter in the end of the street and I slept only 3 hours and fuel my day with strong black tea sweetened generousely 😝

If you want the legitimacy to stand for your (Israel) rights or for the other side's wrongs, you have to be able to see also your side's wrongs where it is difficult, because this is the only way to gain your moral capabilities and stance when you want after that to stand for what you think is important.

@Raze Don't start with that again. Wikipedia is a fighting zone not an imprinted objective book.

I think the reasons hamas or Hezbollah attack Israel are much more than that, and are mainly their stage and their meaning of life derived from that, along with their theological appealing. It hard for the western world to see that those attacks are actually what give them meaning and psychological fullness. But the west think that they are like us just want to live in an organized life similar to us what I think isn't true, and it might be part of the reason the peace negotiations keep failing due to those forces that only increase the terror in such times for example after Oslo agreement and 2nd intifada after 90's agreements.

@Inliytened1 But to arrest even one child in west bank is wrong, to destroy palestinians homes is also wrong. You can always say "but we are right in this and that" but we have to be smart too and not to fuel hate towards us.

@Inliytened1 But our right wing policy is dissapointing and problematic. I didn't say we are like hamas because of course this isn't at all the case. There are developmental and moral huge differences.

@Raze All the examples there (minus the weapon supplies to problematic regimes) are highly fluid and hypocritical when don't take Israeli survival perspective into account, what is the core of the issue here.

Yes sadly at least in the west bank this is surely the case. I wanted to include the current war in Gaza too minus the killed parameter that wasn't intentional unlike hamas there the key difference between the sides remains, but other parameters yes.

Yes once there are many isolated settlements, we are Jews and Arabs inmeshed together and then, to manage this physically seems to me as very challenging and chaotic, and only a signed agreement can solve this.

Yes I agree, but when a soldier found in this tough zone, and his life is also not so safe there, and there is a violent uprising of the other side, he just think how to stop this to not get into chaos. I am not justifying his very low consciousness policy that from our eyes this is obviously will only make things worse long term (but he doesn't yet have that view probably) but just say a higher thinking is very difficult to do in this hard area.

Yes but this is tricky because both sides harm each other, but when one of them have more muscles his actions will be showed as more abusive, and he will be appeared falsely as the bad guy! But this is a psychological deception.

+1 ❤ Very important points.

This is unavoidable for security. Not as an excuse but really. Same answer. Well this is a closed area. Do you have another way? Both sides build properties there by the way and dont wait to the other side permission. The palestinians ones are not less! Just for honesty. This is the war argument. Not west bank. This is very hurmful and not a smart way to deal with this. You have to think but how the other side probably see as the only way to keep the order there in this plonter Jews are Arabs live one inside the other. But yeah this is a bad ignorant policy that only make things worse.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hezbollah-launches-explosive-laden-drones-dozens-of-rockets-at-northern-israel/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/gallant-urges-public-not-take-law-into-own-hands-as-settlers-attack-palestinian-towns/

@Inliytened1 A strong military understandably creates an illusionary highly exaggerated picture of "oppression", while in reality what really there is is a friction, between two societies, in which both Israeli right wing policies, corrupted soldiers (many in this area, not just bad apples) and settler extremists, and Palestinian terror groups do harmful actions to one another that fuel the hate between the sides.

Human shield is a very necessary survival strategy for an organization who fights a military to compensate its inferiorty.

@Merkabah Star I admitted Netanyahu's policy in Gaza is toxic. But the killed numbers are hamas + civillians from an hasty Israeli policy + civillians from hamas human shield.

This is what happen when sitting in an abusive kind of medias all day. If I wanted I can turn Canada into a dark cave of murdering and women abuses just with dedicating all my passion into it. But I won't, because I am not toxic.

This is way oversimplified. There was an escalation especially from the 1920's both sides participated in in a complex positive feedback. And after that an another huge survival threat for the Jews when 6 Arab countries invaded here, forced them to develop a powerful army during the following decades.