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I agree the settlements expansion needs to stop, and that a two state solution is the best solution.

From when?

And 2008 with Olmert and 2013-4 with Livney that I know wanted that badly.

Personally I am not that attached to my religion, but religion expresses deep things just sometimes in shallow or unhealthy ways. When it is your private religion (even watching sport can be one) you will immediatrly understand the depth behind your actions, but when it comes to other ones you will automatically see them more negatively. When the west (Or Israel) behaves childishly it seen as purely negative thing, but when Palestinians do this, they automatically seen as doing this in the name of something deep and authentic. Can you see how this view is not rational but designed by personal emotional life experiences of the observer? Just to note this is not aimed to you personally but to the general common view here. The pro Israeli side has its own filters too.

Vietnam (US almost alone) + Iraq (both) + Afganistan (both)

USA and Europe has killed 100,000s of innocent civilians. Then maybe the conclusion, if we keep this line of thinking, is that everyone is inherently racist?

@Lyubov Part of understanding truth is to get into the psychology of Jews in Europe 1945. Emotions are as important as rational or physcial components.

@MrTruf If my messages are that triggering for you then perhaps I am doing something right. Go for whatever you percieve as valuable.

@MrTruf You don't have to read what you don't like.

@MrTruf Tell me more about myself that I don't know to help me go enlithened 🤩 See my messages trend here through the entire last year before you assign roles to people. If there any malicous intent or darkness it is more likely to be in your own last message. Do you understand that your message only expose the problematic traits the side of the equation you belongs to holds?

To what exactly do you mean when you say "Zionism"?

Did they really have another choice? After what happaned, any other land except Israel-Palestine would leave them just more humilliated and meaningless inside. It would be likely impossible physically and surely impossible in the psychological sense.

But only the fact that more and more Jews started to come here is by itself an enough reason for Palestinians to start to react from fear and develop hostility towards the Jews. I think it is a snowball with no one to blame for.

@Lyubov So the last Millennia counts but the previous Millennia is already too far to be count?

Consider that this word got so much charge that right now as long as this word is keep being used, it will make it more difficult for the discussion to be reasonable.

If IDF would initiate attacks aimed to Palestinian civilians killing hunderds or thousands of them, then yes, I would justify bombing Tel Aviv when chasing its commanders, because it is unacceptable that any force will decide by itself to hunt civilians whenever it wants and have a free hand to do so.

And I think Israel is the most authentic and organic inevitable outcome of the circumstances. The realest foundations you can ever think of.

If Palestinians get a sovereign state on 1967 lines, hamas and its supporters will try to get more and more land by terror attacks.

Why?

🤷‍♂️ I will further check.

The far right wing of Israel doesn't care about the rest of Israelis and their well being or support, it cares about its ideology.

If Israeli right wing want all the land, let alone that Palestinian's right wing will want all the land.

I will put for a moment aside the 'discriminate' for its complexity. About that they purchased lands and settled there I agree. The Pro-Israeli side can claim back that those actions mostly weren't intended to be violent or forceful, but the fear among the Palestinians made them to react harshly to this, what caused an escalation. What do you think?

Mainly the ideological component of the terror that part of it would happen just from the mere existence of a Jewish defined entitiy in their region. Thats it, even if no oppression were to occure at all.

"Zionism" is already an infected word. Zionism has and had variety of streams and values systems and attitudes inside it that all interpret the word in different ways. His style is indeed rough but this isn't necessarily a bad thing because it also means he talks from his heart and experience as a son of one of hamas's co founders. The style of some Palestinians key people is also often similar. I think they both got right points and are blind to valid points of each other. Mossab provides an important part of the pazzle as this is a multi layered problem that doesn't have a single cause.