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Supremacy bias affects half of Israelis which I already acknowledged. Do you think Americans see their people's lives as equally important to the lives of the people in Afganistan? Fear of terror also distorts human view of values of lives of the stranger especially after major terror attacks. This isn't truth based but an extrapolation the survival brain does. And welcome back by the way.

What a disrespect. The only way to heal after trauma of genocide is to establish your country by your own way and own choice of location. This is how every respectful nation does. No one would agree to a suggested random artificial meaningless piece of land from stranger's generosity of heart especially after what happened.

So if you speak on mechanics (not on severity) of this mind-phenomena that lead to seeing the other side as sub-human then I can agree with this and acknowledge it is a problem of stage Blue in Israel among all people who are bought into this supremacy point of view, which is rougly half of our society.

But the real nazism of 1939-1945 was so much more than domination and supremacy as you know too and this is why it is so difficult for me with the comparison.

Ok fair and understood. Can we acknowledge both events wrong and injustice, but without comparing two different events with such logarithmic difference in severity between them, so that justice can be made for both of them epistemically?

Leo, my parents town Reut where I lived most of the time is only 5 minutes from the official 67' line. But still, I didn't know almost anything about wrong things being done in the West Bank by soldiers or settlers. I knew only peace processes in elementary school, and Intifada 2nd and terror in middle school, and IDF operations against terror in Palestinians territories. The complexity of the dynamics in this area is known to me (almost) only from two years ago when I was 36 year old and started to research due to you and the forum. We are in a bubble here Leo. West bank and even Gaza is like ABROAD to Israelis and for us we are fighting with terror and thats it. Very few Israelis are being exposed to problematic actions part of the soldiers are doing. This is like American looking on Iraq. The fact that Israel is physically small (in the eyes of Americans of course) doesn't say sh*t. If Israelis are parallel to Nazis, so do Europeans when their governments killed thousand of civilians in Mosul and so do Americans when their government were in the rest of Iraq and in Afganistan. I think this is utterly wrong. None of them, including Israel, are such.

I suggest an another kind of ducomentary that really listen and interviews normal people and not showing ONLY crazy violent groups as those instagram and youtubers so enjoy to do: 95% of Youtube is demonization. This is what the brain loves to do the most. And don't get me wrong I don't agree at all with their way and ideology, but most of them are surprisingly people. Maybe like Evangelicals but still people and not monsters.

https://x.com/costa1black/status/1790450603589595190 (From May 2024) Edit: I don't agree with History as "fictional" he went too far there but with everything else I do.

OMG this man is pure gold This is fairness and justice for both sides who are going through such demonization stems simply from unfamiliarity.

And 35 years of terror attacks are conditions that give rise to far more fundamentalistic views of Israeli Right wingers.

" I want to explain why I booed Netanyahu tonight at Hostages Square. 💡 I only upload posts that have received broad support - thousands of likes - like this one (and of course because of their quality). " It’s simple — I see there’s a mobilization order and a unified talking point sheet for the whole choir: Likud ministers and MKs, Benny Gantz, mouthpieces like Amit Segal, and confused journalists — so I want to explain why I booed Netanyahu. I booed Netanyahu because I despise him. With utter contempt. From the depths of my heart and soul. Because for two years we’ve been fighting for the return of the hostages — in demonstrations, rallies, marches, and events — and he’s done everything to sabotage, blur, stall, lie, and deceive. He hasn’t visited Hostages Square even once, despite it being adjacent to the courtroom where he spends his trial days. He divided, incited, and turned hostage families and the Hostages Forum against each other. He created a fake and unrepresentative forum called “Tikva” (“Hope”) that fought against the return of the hostages — a group he met dozens of times — while refusing to meet families who hadn’t passed political screening. He made the return of the hostages a political issue, and turned the families and protesters into enemies of the nation. He violated the previous deal and ceasefire a day before more hostages could have returned. He appointed Dermer to head the negotiation team specifically to ensure that no hostage would return — because that would bring down his government. He launched a reoccupation of Gaza knowing full well that he was abandoning hostages and sacrificing soldiers in vain. He ordered an attack in Qatar on senior Hamas officials who had gathered to approve a hostage deal — just to sabotage it too. And he did all of this while wearing a hostage pin on his lapel. The only reason a deal was eventually signed and the war stopped is because the Americans and Qataris realized who they were dealing with — and forced him to give in. And beyond that, he destroyed the country, built up, funded, and maintained Hamas — and brought upon us the greatest disaster in our history. Thirty years ago, he also led the incitement campaign against the brave Prime Minister who pursued peace, Yitzhak Rabin — marching in front of a coffin and a noose in Ra’anana Junction, and fanning the flames of hatred from the balcony in Zion Square. He hasn’t stopped inciting, dividing, and poisoning since. Which is a bit more serious than booing, with all due respect to tonight’s outrage dictated from the cuckoo’s nest. That’s why. And one more thing: the contempt will follow him everywhere. Until his last day. And I’ll end with a quote by Eli Elbag about Netanyahu: “The only thing that will bear your name will be cemeteries.” (In the photo: Vitkof, Kushner, and Ivanka Trump arriving at a place Netanyahu and his courtiers have never set foot in — and being received with royal honors, as they should.) " https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16geMMMoLz/

Equivalent to 3.5M Americans. Right now in the Hostage square.

Yair Golan's party: The Democrats 4 mandates out of 120 = 3.3% of the population. An important note: 4 more mandate of its retroactively merged party Meretz were burned in the last elections due to getting under the treshold of 3.25%, therefore its real power is 6.6% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Democrats_(Israel) Spiral Dynamics: 🟠🟢🟢

Gantz's party: Blue And White 8 mandates out of 120 = 6.6% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_and_White_(political_party) Spiral Dynamics: 🔵🟠🟢

Lapid's party: There Is a Future 23 mandates out of 120 = 19% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesh_Atid Spiral Dynamics: 🟠🟢 1. I assume it based on a quite healthy Blue I don't think this is the main emphasize of this party so no need to mention it. 2. At least half of Israelis interpret "Zionism" as simply Jews aspiration to have their own land. I suggest to not get too seriously into this word. It is a tricky word with many problems to it in my opinion. This word is being distorted and interpreted completely differently depending on the specific camp's pre-existing views, inside the country and abroad.

Netanyahu's party: Likud 32 mandates out of 120 = 27% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud Spiral Dynamics: 🔵🟠 Note: Netanyahu over the years made the party less liberal as he added more and more members who are convenient to him politically. Therefore this party in the past had a little bit of stage green too, as secondary and relatively minor.

@Breakingthewall You are right this is dangerous, as long as the government refuses to establish a permanent border (in a form of secured perimeter).

Smotrich Party: The Religious Zionism Have 7 mandates out of 120 = 6% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Zionist_Party Spiral Dynamics: 🔴🔵🔵 Intuitively I feel Blue is much more dominant here, but not only. Some Red most likely exists - in the extreme margins. Religious Zionism sector has also healthy aspects of contribution, helping others, love of the land, partnerships. No more stage Red from now on in Israeli parties (luckily 😶‍🌫️) the hardest part is behind us.

Ben Gvir Party: Jewish Strength (translated) The most extreme party have ever been in Israel. Have 4 mandates out of 120 = 3.3% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otzma_Yehudit Spiral Dynamics: 🔴🔵

https://x.com/Maahadim_Israel/status/1976245292199706821

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16TnZy7RZG/

Israelis stance on Palestinian state is quite complex even after Oct7