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I add Right wing tweets not to show agreement with them but to display through them the multi-dimensional character of Israeli society. All from Oct 20-21. https://x.com/mennyassyag/status/1980562856492880171

Next chapter - the pendulum will move to the Right 🏰⛲️

I need to correct my earlier comment because I think he does seek the destruction of Israel. What I agreed with before was about the religious roots of its actions. Seeing what he is doing right now to Gazans is enough to understand that the cruelty of hamas goes far beyond his relation to Israel.

Security belt (perimeter) of couple of KM like in south Lebanon. Best defense, minimum harm to soldiers and civilians in both sides of the border. This government wants venganeace. There is no rationality in what happening in Gaza. Just untreated trauma that far-right fundamentalists lack the capacity to process except by projecting it outside.

I think the most realistic strategy is to let each sector to do what it wants without this exhausting inner war. We won't change anyone. We need to normalize a culture of sub-states or provinces that have more authorities by their own. Demand your group's right to do what they want and declare you won't try to change anyone else. Its like a social norm we have do develop. Then it will be easier to legalize it too. Paradoxically unity inside the country will improve when sectors are no longer feel threatened by each other.

Agree but you don't have to participate with that and sacrifice your 18yo kids because of that. If you want to keep your sanity focus on a secured border, precise operations from air when needed limited to armed combatants to avoid as much as possible civilians harm, and disrupting its funding and logistical network.

I have started to feel that because there is so much anger toward Israel these days, maybe I opened this thread too early. After thinking about it more, I decided to keep it, but to make a stronger effort to present voices from both the Right and the Left as equally as possible to really show all facets and present the picture as close to reality as possible. If any post here triggers you, please feel free to bring it up. I will gladly reconsider if necessary, but I truly believe it is possible to reflect the fundamental inner conflict in my country with a fair amount of objectivity and empathy.

When did it start? And how were you before that?

@Lyubov I understand your pain. Without a nuanced view there cannot be justice to anyone.

But when you surrender their language their drag you to their level.

An in-depth interview with Eden Golan, for those who seek to truly know her and go beyond the stigmas and political baggage 🌱🎑

Aryeh Deri's Ultra orthodox party: Shas 11 mandates out of 120 = 9% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shas Spiral Dynamics: 🔵 1. Shas, unlike UTJ, acts more pragmatically and is often willing to bridge and cooperate with other parties. However its pragmatism is still utalitarian and not value-based, so it does not represent the true orange stage in the spiral. 2. Shas is more liberal and more heart-centered towards the weak sectors in society, therefore I would give it a bit of green in the margins 15%. 3. In contrast, United Torah Judaism is one of the clearest examples of an absolutistic worldview, which is linked in the seperate note dedicated to that party.

@zazen You can't measure moral development by a single topic, important as it may be, especially when it is your fresh trauma topic.

Cantonization and decentralization.

@Leo Gura Not only that Palestinians are being arrested without real trial in hunderds every year and basically are powerless in front of a techonologically advance country that uses this power against them. It is also backed by an unhealthy preserving mechanism that uses mind manipulations in order to keep this happening, and above all that came Netanyahu who uses his charisma for many years to tighten this problem even more making it a full painful and frustrating consciousness prison, So I get you here.

Agree that invasion was mostly irrational.

You are talking exactly like the far right people from here talk about Gazans. Equally dellusional stance.

I am partially disagree, but let's assume it was the case, still, you are missing out the micro dimension. Many citizens are in such an experience about themselves personally and it infilterates to the macro collective feeling.

@Leo Gura The thing is that to leave the Jews in 1945 without justice is also unfair.

Do you think Two-State solution isn't a fair one?

Yeah I agree that as long as Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and Smotrich parties are in charge it won't change. I understand. Is there a better alternative? I think it is the best solution that can be. If Israel will give them a bit more areas as a compensation to the areas the settlements has taken, and make more measures to help them feel they also won somehow it can help to cool their hate, but it is hard to find a politician even in the center-left to think of it holistically enough. I believe many Palestinians just want to live their lives and most of them won't be that ideological as they anyway stay in their homes they have for decades in Judea and Samaria.

@Leo Gura I think Israel should exist aside a Palestinian state too. And like me many more think that. Why not both?

Moderates can be above or below progressives. It depends on the depth of their arguments.

Israeli journalist ('Haaretz') Josh Breiner https://x.com/JoshBreiner?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Cha8mHSwS/