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@Karmadhi It is a big problem of corruption within the system which worsens after trauma. What America did after 9/11 wasn't better. I see it as a combination of feeling superior above citizens of the so called enemy country, along with fear, rage and desire for vengeance. It is important to remember that in both Israeli and American societies only a very small number of people are actualy capable of torturing others. See for example Guatanamo prison: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

A post from 2024, written during one of the weekly demonstrations that gathered tens of thousands of citizens every Saturday evening, calling for a hostage deal which eventually took place last week and brought the war to an end. " Everyone’s talking about division and hate — so here are a few words about solidarity, or how I can’t stop being moved by this nation: I was among those injured in the car-ramming attack at the protest on Saturday night. I was very lucky — I came out with bruises but no fractures. Near me on the road lay two women; one of them was bleeding from her head, moderately injured, and is still hospitalized. From the moment this madness happened, I was surrounded by a large group of strangers and volunteers. They insisted on accompanying me to the hospital (Tamar and Yotam, two wonderful people whose last names I don’t even know, stayed with me there until the late hours). In the photo — Dafna Greener, from the volunteer network. It turns out there’s a volunteer system of social workers, psychologists, and doctors who accompany every injured person at a protest. Dafna didn’t leave my side for a moment — she made sure I drank and ate, talked with me about what had happened with a smile, and above all, was there for me. She left her family and refused my pleas to go back home: “I’m here with you,” she said. When I took a taxi at two in the morning, we said goodbye. So yes — from this sad evening, I come out stronger. With people like this, we’ll recover and overcome. Hope is 2000 years old — a few more months are nothing for her. 🇮🇱❤️ #Hope " https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EuEU5LAgZ/

Ultra Orthodox party: United Torah Judaism 7 mandates out of 120 = 6% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Torah_Judaism Spiral Dynamics: 🔵

Thank you. The beginning of healing. Edit: Not meant to underestimate the suffering of the other side that is harder than ours.

🥰 In your time! Feel free to ask and to make claims, reservations to posts if you have and whatever you want.

@Raze This isn't true Raze. I have been following those parties closely for more than 10 years on a daily basis. This isn't just verbal games. Those parties represent sectors whose values are fundmentally different from one another. I know I can't convince you or anyone else to think as I think, and you really don't have to. You will always think what you think and this is perfectly fine. The only thing I can control is what I choose to share. I want to suggest you to do your own research but consider to include direct Israeli sources and not only things you hear about Israel from filters. Read tweets and posts written by Israelis themselves. After that, really, think whatever you want. You are welcome to read everything I will add to here and to ask for sources you want me to add too.

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Supremacy bias affects half of Israelis which I already acknowledged. Do you think Americans see their people's lives as equally important to the lives of the people in Afganistan? Fear of terror also distorts human view of values of lives of the stranger especially after major terror attacks. This isn't truth based but an extrapolation the survival brain does. And welcome back by the way.

What a disrespect. The only way to heal after trauma of genocide is to establish your country by your own way and own choice of location. This is how every respectful nation does. No one would agree to a suggested random artificial meaningless piece of land from stranger's generosity of heart especially after what happened.

So if you speak on mechanics (not on severity) of this mind-phenomena that lead to seeing the other side as sub-human then I can agree with this and acknowledge it is a problem of stage Blue in Israel among all people who are bought into this supremacy point of view, which is rougly half of our society.

But the real nazism of 1939-1945 was so much more than domination and supremacy as you know too and this is why it is so difficult for me with the comparison.

Ok fair and understood. Can we acknowledge both events wrong and injustice, but without comparing two different events with such logarithmic difference in severity between them, so that justice can be made for both of them epistemically?

Leo, my parents town Reut where I lived most of the time is only 5 minutes from the official 67' line. But still, I didn't know almost anything about wrong things being done in the West Bank by soldiers or settlers. I knew only peace processes in elementary school, and Intifada 2nd and terror in middle school, and IDF operations against terror in Palestinians territories. The complexity of the dynamics in this area is known to me (almost) only from two years ago when I was 36 year old and started to research due to you and the forum. We are in a bubble here Leo. West bank and even Gaza is like ABROAD to Israelis and for us we are fighting with terror and thats it. Very few Israelis are being exposed to problematic actions part of the soldiers are doing. This is like American looking on Iraq. The fact that Israel is physically small (in the eyes of Americans of course) doesn't say sh*t. If Israelis are parallel to Nazis, so do Europeans when their governments killed thousand of civilians in Mosul and so do Americans when their government were in the rest of Iraq and in Afganistan. I think this is utterly wrong. None of them, including Israel, are such.

I suggest an another kind of ducomentary that really listen and interviews normal people and not showing ONLY crazy violent groups as those instagram and youtubers so enjoy to do: 95% of Youtube is demonization. This is what the brain loves to do the most. And don't get me wrong I don't agree at all with their way and ideology, but most of them are surprisingly people. Maybe like Evangelicals but still people and not monsters.

https://x.com/costa1black/status/1790450603589595190 (From May 2024) Edit: I don't agree with History as "fictional" he went too far there but with everything else I do.

OMG this man is pure gold This is fairness and justice for both sides who are going through such demonization stems simply from unfamiliarity.

And 35 years of terror attacks are conditions that give rise to far more fundamentalistic views of Israeli Right wingers.

" I want to explain why I booed Netanyahu tonight at Hostages Square. 💡 I only upload posts that have received broad support - thousands of likes - like this one (and of course because of their quality). " It’s simple — I see there’s a mobilization order and a unified talking point sheet for the whole choir: Likud ministers and MKs, Benny Gantz, mouthpieces like Amit Segal, and confused journalists — so I want to explain why I booed Netanyahu. I booed Netanyahu because I despise him. With utter contempt. From the depths of my heart and soul. Because for two years we’ve been fighting for the return of the hostages — in demonstrations, rallies, marches, and events — and he’s done everything to sabotage, blur, stall, lie, and deceive. He hasn’t visited Hostages Square even once, despite it being adjacent to the courtroom where he spends his trial days. He divided, incited, and turned hostage families and the Hostages Forum against each other. He created a fake and unrepresentative forum called “Tikva” (“Hope”) that fought against the return of the hostages — a group he met dozens of times — while refusing to meet families who hadn’t passed political screening. He made the return of the hostages a political issue, and turned the families and protesters into enemies of the nation. He violated the previous deal and ceasefire a day before more hostages could have returned. He appointed Dermer to head the negotiation team specifically to ensure that no hostage would return — because that would bring down his government. He launched a reoccupation of Gaza knowing full well that he was abandoning hostages and sacrificing soldiers in vain. He ordered an attack in Qatar on senior Hamas officials who had gathered to approve a hostage deal — just to sabotage it too. And he did all of this while wearing a hostage pin on his lapel. The only reason a deal was eventually signed and the war stopped is because the Americans and Qataris realized who they were dealing with — and forced him to give in. And beyond that, he destroyed the country, built up, funded, and maintained Hamas — and brought upon us the greatest disaster in our history. Thirty years ago, he also led the incitement campaign against the brave Prime Minister who pursued peace, Yitzhak Rabin — marching in front of a coffin and a noose in Ra’anana Junction, and fanning the flames of hatred from the balcony in Zion Square. He hasn’t stopped inciting, dividing, and poisoning since. Which is a bit more serious than booing, with all due respect to tonight’s outrage dictated from the cuckoo’s nest. That’s why. And one more thing: the contempt will follow him everywhere. Until his last day. And I’ll end with a quote by Eli Elbag about Netanyahu: “The only thing that will bear your name will be cemeteries.” (In the photo: Vitkof, Kushner, and Ivanka Trump arriving at a place Netanyahu and his courtiers have never set foot in — and being received with royal honors, as they should.) " https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16geMMMoLz/

Equivalent to 3.5M Americans. Right now in the Hostage square.

Yair Golan's party: The Democrats 4 mandates out of 120 = 3.3% of the population. An important note: 4 more mandate of its retroactively merged party Meretz were burned in the last elections due to getting under the treshold of 3.25%, therefore its real power is 6.6% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Democrats_(Israel) Spiral Dynamics: 🟠🟢🟢

Gantz's party: Blue And White 8 mandates out of 120 = 6.6% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_and_White_(political_party) Spiral Dynamics: 🔵🟠🟢

Lapid's party: There Is a Future 23 mandates out of 120 = 19% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesh_Atid Spiral Dynamics: 🟠🟢 1. I assume it based on a quite healthy Blue I don't think this is the main emphasize of this party so no need to mention it. 2. At least half of Israelis interpret "Zionism" as simply Jews aspiration to have their own land. I suggest to not get too seriously into this word. It is a tricky word with many problems to it in my opinion. This word is being distorted and interpreted completely differently depending on the specific camp's pre-existing views, inside the country and abroad.

Netanyahu's party: Likud 32 mandates out of 120 = 27% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud Spiral Dynamics: 🔵🟠 Note: Netanyahu over the years made the party less liberal as he added more and more members who are convenient to him politically. Therefore this party in the past had a little bit of stage green too, as secondary and relatively minor.