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Jews were here too, even if minority. But before that Jews were majority. Arabs almost doubled their qunatity in the 19th century. Also insert into the equation that Jews are Arabs live here together these days too and are highly mixed in the whole land area.

Yes that exactly what happened with the Arabs here, but I don't cancel their sense of belonging to here as "theory" as you do with the Jews.

This is a one side's (part of them) perspective. The Palestinian identity has been created gradually during the conflict, and this is a legitimate response, but the culture here before Israel has included Jews and Arabs who were here together.

Perhaps they feel similar to the Jews that they have roots here, what I accept and won't argue with. This isn't some, but most. Edit: close to half. And this isn't a myth. I have learned it myself just recently. Nobody thought me it in school.

This is the danger of relying solely on (especially conventional) external sources that design your sense of self-efficacy. But anyway this is carefully only based on what has written there. There is tons of missing information.

I see here a struggle between two forces equally responsible for their situation and equally fueling the hate towards them. Palestinians could take the partition plan back then. Jews needed, and succeeded to build a strong army. Palestinians could also do this if really wanted, or if they don't want that, to develop their society for example. Once they reject the partition plan, they have started a Jungle, and then they complain when they lost the Jungle game according to their own rules they forced on the sides.

So too the Palestinians at the exact same way, when most of whom came here as work immigrants for the Ottoman rule a little while before the Jews.

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@Bobby_2021 Be careful with showing so much emotions to this cruel regime. But I can understand that too. The bad guy is often more attractive, at least from the first glance

@BlueOak In 'you' this wasn't personal to you but to the general approach here about what Israel does. Far worse? In meanwhile I saw generally reasonable messages from you but anyway say whatever you think I will be happy to to have normal conversations with people here.

@zazen Zionism = The aspiration to establish a Jewish state in the land they had sovereignty in the past. The decision to interpret it in a "fundamentalist" manner is arbitrary and subjective. The original term is healthy, or to the very least neutral, and does not say anything against the right of the Arabs to have their own state too in this land, aside the Jewish one.

This is so crystaly clear transparent.

When the camel acts proportionally for 10 other operations spreaded over 2 decades you didn't care, but when the last straw causes his back to break and made him to behave aggrresively, you guys only look at the last scene and choose to overlook the whole movie.

But hamas came here with their preplanned intention to kill as much civillians as they can. IDF came to Gaza in response (didn't want that, and the ~10 Billion dollar upper and under ground fences it built show that) to kill hamas, and a bad and not careful policy made too much civillians to get killed too, but this wasn't desirable.

This is the giant issue of the most complicated argument ever 😝 That most of them are hamas, and the conditions of the others (suspects) I am sure not even close to the level in Iran, what does not mean they are out of problems and I am not justifying them. Israel was under a huge threat from 6 Arab countries, and are highly treatened today too though not in the same way. I commented to this above too and for me at least those examples seem weak and subjective. I can't see much similarity to what Israel faces. Apart from the example there that Israel sold weapon to problematic regimes that this specific example is indeed pretty solid. May I ask from where are you?

The way they sponsor global terror, the way they arm Hezbollah and hamas, the way they arrest rebels against the regime jail them without sentence and make them just disapear from their loved ones sometimes forever, and even this if they are lucky. The way they restrict freedom of speech, the way they oppress and arrest protestors. Very reasonable.

The way they sponsor global terror, the way they arm Hezbollah and hamas, the way they arrest rebels against the regime jail them without sentence and make them just disapear from their loved ones sometimes forever, and even this if they are lucky. Very reasonable.

Former Israeli Air Force Commander Eitan Ben Eliyahu: "To enter Rafah now and risk hostages lives? We will regret it in 5 or 10 years. The hostages are the first priority."

@Raze Sounds like when the Nazi regime tried at the beginning to show they want peace or something. But again they don't represent 80% or more of the Iranians who are reasonable people.

Agree. hamas has been proven to have very sophistcated protective abilities and it is not so "weak" relative to IDF in this regard. But it isn't surprising when we think about that. When you have physical inferiority you will work for years to compensate on that.

I think that hamas is indeed the main obstacle, but I fear Netanyahu takes the time purposely and does not do all that he can to make the hostages be released.

@ted73104 Perhaps you are right that killing an Iranian general or a nuclear scientist is wrong, or at the very least may not be a useful step to prevent Iran from being nuclear. But nuclear capabilities in the hands of such a regime might be a dangerous thing. Wereas most likely this regime won't use this capability in practice, it is better to not take that risk. The Iranian people have the right to enjoy whatever technologies they want, but their fanatic regime I think shouldn't have that right.

This is true. *Netanyahu doesn't care, and probably screwed the negotiation too.

@Raze This theory doesn't make sense at all. Israel knows it needs US (mainly) and Europe support, so it will try to overall minimize killed number. Wereas hamas wants the west to stop Israel therefore will try to maximize killed number.

@Karmadhi This is laughable and totally absurd and out of logic.