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The root of the problem is that we misleadingly think we as a modern species have outgrown Nature. From that, we can see the exact pattern of thinking in other areas as well, such as our approach to long term health or mental health and the way we try to treat these issues, mostly the wrong way.

Mohammad Zoabi, a Muslim Arab Israeli guy who became an activist in this topic and have an advantage of seeing the conflict from both sides eyes, what puts him in a special place from where he can synergize both views to make his own special and synthesized, and at the same time caring for each side seperately, perspective. The first post is from today.

Ok but you connected very tightly the animal issue to all of this, so if it fails in this issue I think it is limited in the broader picture too. I disagree with the indifference about outcome and with the solipsism, I would think about Turquoise in a different way, but hey, each one and his view. The Love thing resonates with me much more.

I think the animal industry is sick and cannot be otherwise, no matter from what stage one look at it. But the added value the stages above green provide in this topic is that there is a room for debating about eating meat in certain conditions, for example if you consume it in a pasture rised form when the animal lived respectufully almost all of his life (until got killed) although the killing in the end is too debatable and it is complicated. In this way we like immitate nature as much as possible. Has the person who eats meat found out that meat is essential for him to feel better? For many people it is true, so there is no judgment here and for them to try to eat as pasture rised as possible is a good strategy.

I disagree with these conclusions and with categorizing them as "Turquoise".

I won't shed a tear if far Rights are out of here.

I don't buy this theory at all. hamas, similar to Hezbollah have both, leaded by Iran's regime, planned an oct7 style attack. What bothers them is the mere existence of a different ethnically defined state in their region. Stage Red gains its life meaning and motivation from its expansionist desires. They don't need an oppression to want that and I would even think those Red extremists are the least sensitive to oppressions forced on them, because their whole life motivation isn't so much about liberty or good conditions but about running forward to more domination. Ask the Far Right wingers of Israel and they will say to you the same thing. Oppression can get the terror of oct7 to be more severe only to some degree than it could be, but it isn't the root cause of it.

@Etherial Cat I agree with your stance about the Israeli governemnt and its ignorant way it manages the conflict in the big picture especially in West Bank areas. I would be careful with such equatings since intentions, circumstances, conditions and enemy clever strategics are parameters that have to not be overlooked. This government behaved in severe ways for sure, but this isn't as severe as the thing that brought it to do so in the first place if we take all the parameters above into account.

If you will research Israeli society seriously, you will found out that Israel is quite evenly distributed between Blue, Orange and Green.

+1 ❤️ Seems like a reasonable estimation.

You are right this is the problem 😶‍🌫️

And the Arabs rejected it?

The government need to not build there any more. I mean, this is up to a decision from above and the settlers themselves can do harmful things (the violent extremists among them) but not to physically build a neighborhood.

What do you mean by doing their job?

I agree the settlements expansion needs to stop, and that a two state solution is the best solution.

From when?

And 2008 with Olmert and 2013-4 with Livney that I know wanted that badly.

Personally I am not that attached to my religion, but religion expresses deep things just sometimes in shallow or unhealthy ways. When it is your private religion (even watching sport can be one) you will immediatrly understand the depth behind your actions, but when it comes to other ones you will automatically see them more negatively. When the west (Or Israel) behaves childishly it seen as purely negative thing, but when Palestinians do this, they automatically seen as doing this in the name of something deep and authentic. Can you see how this view is not rational but designed by personal emotional life experiences of the observer? Just to note this is not aimed to you personally but to the general common view here. The pro Israeli side has its own filters too.

Vietnam (US almost alone) + Iraq (both) + Afganistan (both)

USA and Europe has killed 100,000s of innocent civilians. Then maybe the conclusion, if we keep this line of thinking, is that everyone is inherently racist?

@Lyubov Part of understanding truth is to get into the psychology of Jews in Europe 1945. Emotions are as important as rational or physcial components.

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