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Yeah in the media the conflict is definitely streched enormousely. The problem has to be acknowleged but fairly without streches. Most likely that Palestinians in west bank are 95%+ of them living without any conflicts with IDF and have decent freedom to live their lives. It is important to acknowledge this as well.

I disagree with plenty of those as an "indicators" to tier 2.

Many more people suffer from withdrawal symptoms for years disguised as their "organic conditions".

For example, a religious person at stage Orange can start trying to be the most expert in the holy book teaching and to understand things better than his friends. Or Another example, at stage Orange he can try to answer more rationally and less emotionally when faced with a question like "Why did God say this and not that?" and no longer accept traditional answers like anger, right and wrong, etc. Instead, he tries to understand why one way is considered wrong and another way is considered right.

But he isn't blue then.

That is because of Trump? I admit I am less familiar with the process lead to those agreements.

How did he help Israel between 2016-2020?

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No doubt at all there is a psychological component to the anti-Israel motives that is far many miles beyond the logical outcomes of this or that war. This is crystal clear.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBeN6MFOhvf/?igsh=dWozeWxtNHUyaWlr

The root of the problem is that we misleadingly think we as a modern species have outgrown Nature. From that, we can see the exact pattern of thinking in other areas as well, such as our approach to long term health or mental health and the way we try to treat these issues, mostly the wrong way.

Mohammad Zoabi, a Muslim Arab Israeli guy who became an activist in this topic and have an advantage of seeing the conflict from both sides eyes, what puts him in a special place from where he can synergize both views to make his own special and synthesized, and at the same time caring for each side seperately, perspective. The first post is from today.

Ok but you connected very tightly the animal issue to all of this, so if it fails in this issue I think it is limited in the broader picture too. I disagree with the indifference about outcome and with the solipsism, I would think about Turquoise in a different way, but hey, each one and his view. The Love thing resonates with me much more.

I think the animal industry is sick and cannot be otherwise, no matter from what stage one look at it. But the added value the stages above green provide in this topic is that there is a room for debating about eating meat in certain conditions, for example if you consume it in a pasture rised form when the animal lived respectufully almost all of his life (until got killed) although the killing in the end is too debatable and it is complicated. In this way we like immitate nature as much as possible. Has the person who eats meat found out that meat is essential for him to feel better? For many people it is true, so there is no judgment here and for them to try to eat as pasture rised as possible is a good strategy.

I disagree with these conclusions and with categorizing them as "Turquoise".

I won't shed a tear if far Rights are out of here.

I don't buy this theory at all. hamas, similar to Hezbollah have both, leaded by Iran's regime, planned an oct7 style attack. What bothers them is the mere existence of a different ethnically defined state in their region. Stage Red gains its life meaning and motivation from its expansionist desires. They don't need an oppression to want that and I would even think those Red extremists are the least sensitive to oppressions forced on them, because their whole life motivation isn't so much about liberty or good conditions but about running forward to more domination. Ask the Far Right wingers of Israel and they will say to you the same thing. Oppression can get the terror of oct7 to be more severe only to some degree than it could be, but it isn't the root cause of it.

@Etherial Cat I agree with your stance about the Israeli governemnt and its ignorant way it manages the conflict in the big picture especially in West Bank areas. I would be careful with such equatings since intentions, circumstances, conditions and enemy clever strategics are parameters that have to not be overlooked. This government behaved in severe ways for sure, but this isn't as severe as the thing that brought it to do so in the first place if we take all the parameters above into account.

If you will research Israeli society seriously, you will found out that Israel is quite evenly distributed between Blue, Orange and Green.

+1 ❤️ Seems like a reasonable estimation.

You are right this is the problem 😶‍🌫️

And the Arabs rejected it?

The government need to not build there any more. I mean, this is up to a decision from above and the settlers themselves can do harmful things (the violent extremists among them) but not to physically build a neighborhood.

What do you mean by doing their job?