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@Hatfort The language and terminology the anti Israeli groups use just make it impossible for the brain to break it down to undistorted components. I do not know how to even answer to that and from where to start because the problematic ties inherent in it are so many and vast.

I understand this is unequal and unfair, and this is why I think for now that a demiltarized Palestinian state aside to Israel is the right thing to try. All of them to leave? I assume some of them will agree but some will want to stay since they feel connection to here what its ok and this solution seems good as it will also help to improve how they see the Jews. Physically I am not sure these are the correct numbers because West Bank is as big as the entire inhabited area of Israel (minus West Bank) especially when you add to that the fact this is a completely mountainous area what increases dramatically its surface area. Still not symmetric because Jews inhabitate part of it. But in terms of sovereignty the distribution is unequal and unfair of course.

But the distinction in our situation between the more native ones and the 'colonizers' is a false distinction to begin with since both sides are euqally native to this land if you zoom out enough and examine the real larger context and how the dots are connected very well when you see the great timeline and how the national karma works.

The thing is that when a murdering is done in the opposite direction those people would justify it as a natural way of resistance, but at the same time they fail to see the survival situation of the side they don't like, and they just choose to see everything it does as 'artificial', manipulative or evil, but this is a psychological bias that stems from their prejudices on it and the fact this side feels very stranger to them, and not from reality.

@Sandhu @Spiritual Warfare Glad to hear it helped. Thank you.

Of course. Projection. Be the content of the twitts true or not (partially highly streched and dichotomic), he isn't better by any mean than the relatively deep Right Wing Israeli sector he addresses.

The religion you are really against it is any thinking discipline that is taken as the real or right one above all the rest. You are very right when you feel suffocated from this narrow thinking pattern you feel as a thing that limits you and limits the world. Just that this problem is common to any other topic, ideology or a thinking pattern that is taken as the absolute.

The issue IS complex. You just see the West as a spirit-less unauthentic unnatural entity (whereas the Palestinians and Arabs as the only natural, organic, wisdom based...) and this subconscious view is projected now on every little thing Israel does or did. But this by itself is an artifical and biased view of course.

You yourself most likely wouldn't agree to establish your state on a random land others would choose for you. You would feel even more humilliated, empty and meaningless. This is what many people miss out and fail to see on this issue. The choice of Israel was inevitable after this trauma.

Because they are already Blue+ Not about Palestinians but about the Right wing of them and the extremists.

But stage Red life meaning and sense of purpose is gained by ever expanding and conquering, what would make extremists groups like hamas, Hezbollah and the like act the way they act even without any oppression or injustices, but just from the fact that an unwanted stranger is stuck between them.

I understand, yes, but I didn't say 'out of context' about that, but about the displaying of the evil way Ben Gurion did as was "THE way" Israel has founded, which is unfair because it was just a slice of the story of this giant long war, which even it was an end result of 30 years of escalation from both sides started mainly from the 1920s.

I wrote you what I think a page ago.

It is a bad unjustifiable part of the war, but a part of it. To generalize it to the way Israel has founded is like to saý that US is standing on the shoulders of slaves owners. Just out of context and proportions.

And? I explained the context after that you didn't read probably, and "dark side" doesnt mean he didn't have other sides to him.

I accept what you say. I am not so familiar with him in details, but fair enough to acknowledge the dark side of what has happaned and how he was directly involved in it. However, not istead of what you say but in addition, this civil war was a result of almost 30 years of gradual escalation that began in the 1920's. When overlooking this gradual thousands-steps-length process of almost 30 years of escalation and focusing only on the end result, the chance to abuse the situation to the favor of one side or another is very high, even with the best of intentions of the source, let alone when the source favors one side to begin with. Hence the distance between an only one sided ethnic cleansing and a war between two sides that fight each other (and right, do evil things too to one another) is as short as 1mm. Any ducomentary that isn't extremely careful will very fast drift away to an alternative reality in which one of the sides is the evil one and the other is the innocent, without even realizing it has been drifted by a powerful subcurrent.

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@zazen Seems like he wanted to express an appreciation to their point of view and to understand them. Since he was a prime minister of Israel he probably was patriotic enough to aknowledge Jews authentic right on this land too, living aside the Arabs (not instead). He talked also about the importance of coexistance between the two nations.

You don't need to be far right to support Israel in general (not necessarily agree with everything it does). It is enough to be in the center or a moderate Leftist.

But Leo attacked Netanyahu and Netanyahu deserves to be critisized, although I would disagree about the content because the nuclear program is just too dangerous. While this is true that Iran has a right to detter others from invasion to it, but given the size of Israel and therefore its valunerability to an atomic event, Israel will choose the safe side and do its best to prevent Iran from holding such a weapon what is very understandable to me.

It sees the problem as beautiful and interesting to mainly observe and examine with an appreciation. This is his way to encounter it and to make the change in the observed.

But you said that it keeps ruling because it is the most effective force in the region. So according to this if it will be no longer a dominant player in the region, it will have better chance to be defeated from inside.

But this is interesting because it implies that once someone from outside will outfight this regime, it can cease to rule. Therefore an outside intervention (not a manipulative one but an authentic one that done out of survival concerns and necessities of the interventor) of for example Israel against Iranian's regime can maybe be an important key in defeating it.

It could be that their regime is deterring enough that the citizens are too scared to really uprise against it. As I understand roughly 20-30% of the Iranian are pro the regime but most of them against it. Israel is just many things combining together and is extremely diverse and polarized. The group which is as developed as western or northern Europe here is just not big enough to win the elections. These are the anti Netanyahu camp.