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Why to assume that you know how your subconscious should be? What if your subconscious is smarter than you and already knows how to navigate you and you have to be more humble and listen more?

@Raze Also Israel has entered 200-400 trucks of basic needs to Gaza in average every day for 18 years. This is aid around the clock.

It can be but I meant to give them other areas. In Israeli perspective is to prevent dangerous terror attacks that can get out of control.

This has truth but oversimplified because much of this blockade was a security necessity. Don't forget you have to secure a terror state from leaking outside.

Of course you won't evacuate 100K people this is why there is an areas exchanges in the deal. To compensate. Ask yourself why. This is de-facto an Arab dominant area all the time.

And Israel left one-sidedly Gaza in 2005 but only got more rockets in return. If Israel wanted to conquer Gaza it wouldn't bother to invest Billion of dollars in security upper and undergound (novel technology even) fences. What, again, shows us that each time there is a camp (Liberals vs Messianic) that get more dominant in the decision making processes, and I don't need to tell you which camp is on the driver seat today.

@Husseinisdoingfine I remember that when I was a kid. The negotiations lasted long time and there were trials even after the 2nd intifada started. Let alone before that. Many many times. Always failed. I believe that Bibi wanted them to fail, but not at all Olmert and Barak that been called traitors by the Right wingers. And Itzhak Rabin of course the most dedicated prime minister for peace. Barak and Olmert really wanted that and with them the whole liberal camp. Unfortunately the more it failed, the less Israelis kept believing it.

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I understand why it may seem that way from outside. This is the nature of looking at societies we aren't familiar with. In reality there are many colors and nuances among the Jews just as among any other society or religion.

@Breakingthewall It is impossible to evacuate 100K people this is why the negotations were on areas replacement as a compensation to areas that cant be given. For me it sounds fair and moral if it wil be done.

This: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesh_Atid The party that represents the Center (not right wing and not Left wing) of Israel.

@Breakingthewall Don't get me wrong our current hellish government (to Israelis, to the hostages, to Palestinians, to everyone) is the last one I would want to defend. I seperate the two issues.

The Zionist reason is first and foremost to secure Jews in their own home when every other religion can co exist with them according to the declaration of independence. Other streams will though emphasize the biblical compenent more. Depend on the sub group. Don't believe youtube channels full of agenda so fast (I am kidding it isnt personal I am not saying you do).

Because the reality is very complex as Jews were themselves after a far worse trauma that I think didn't left them much of a choice but to come to this land. So there is a dynamic here and not one side who is to blame. Ben Gurion said a lot of different things too. After all he is the first prime minister. If he thought he is only wrong he wouldn't bother to establish Israel.

No no. "Zionist" for them has a totally different meaning with values of Co-existance. I know cause I learned this term in school. This is why this word is misleading because you and them interpret and mean it very differently.

No I don't answer if you push this word Zionists again. Use your own words and than we can talk. I am tired because in Israel it is 1:28 AM so I will wish you good night 🌔🌿

But also the occupation has worsened a lot because the terror has worsened. 50% Of Israelis wanted Two State solution before the Palestinians decided to ruin this too.

Most people aren't knowledgable in this issue and think in terms of security and thats it. As well as me before this war. You also can't expect caring from people who suffer 30 years of terror attacks coming from your side's extremists. In this reality, the Liberal values will naturally be invested in other topics like LGBTQ, Veganism, Women rights etc. This is natural and understandable. Your side has gained the distrust Israelis feel towards you.

Don't wonder later when Israelis put all Palestinians in one box. Look how language distorts the mind. They aren't "liberal zionists" they are just Israeli normal people, like normal American people and like normal Spanish people. They aren't any less Liberal than Liberal Americans or Liberal French. Reality can't be seen clearly with those words.

As long as 100 hostages are inside hamas tunnels I think Israelis emotions will be invested mostly in them, what is understandable to my opinion.

In Nov 2026 (but most likely before) they will replaced. Need to hold tight. There were a bunch of conditions that came together that made this extreme government possible. The Liberal sector and Netanyahu's sector were equal in power for 4 different election rounds until the 5th in 2022 when Netanyahu's sector won with the help of couple of coincidents by the way.

I agree they are smart. Israel is an extremely polarized country. The foreign Youtube media displays only the right wing-messianic-bibist side. Look at this article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli_judicial_reform Demonstrates the value systems war inside Israel during the recent two years (but happens for many years even before).

Or fight inside and don't let idiots to determine your country character, what many citizens do these days against all this goverment's actions against the democracy and the courte.