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You are now running away. What would you suggest western leaders to do against Isis? Yes like every ideology taken too far.

@BlessedLion So I assume you stand behind your words and avoid travelling to any country that was involved in a war against terror organizations.

@Karmadhi If your family and friends were taken hostages with a gun to their head you wouldn't think about anything but them. The loss of humaneness in this forum when it comes to Israel is frightening.

Head of Opposition, Yair Lapid.

@Bobby_2021 China is far worse just because the way it treated its own people and the limited amount of freedom they have comparing to the citizens of the west. The west actions although causes many problems, still the best way humanity knows at this point to what it sees as maintain the democratic world order if to put it this way. You can suggest another more humane way but this is far easier to talk from outside. No doubt it will need to improve.

But this will make things much worse.

@zazen You may be surprised but there is enough critisism in the exact issue you talk about from INSIDE israel and by Israelis, some of them are ex seniors in IDF. One noticeable example of that kind of critisism comes from Itzhak Brik.

I understand. Yes its easier to say than to act upon it. Anyway my motivation is to show what is really going on in Israel's brain, regardless of what the body, controlled right now by the tail, decides to do.

An interesting tweet of a knesset member from the Israeli "Democrats" opposition party, Efrat Rayten (translated from hebrew)

@Gennadiy1981 A Worldview and succeeding to implement this worldview are two different things. But the worldviews of this government and the center-left sector are very different.

@Gennadiy1981 I disagree. They have totally different values and worldview. No wonder people are afraid of civil war in Israel. Just to look on the dynamic here during the year before the war will give you the answer.

A knesset member of the "Democrats" opposition party, Merav Michaeli

A knesset member of Lapid's "There Is a Future" centrist opposition party, Merav Cohen (translated)

And then those gazans were stoned and killed. Cruelty to their own people just as to Israelis (I blurred it if you want to see enter the link). hamas is a bloodthirsty gang to just ANYONE they don't like. https://www.instagram.com/p/C9HrEXgo1zZ/?igsh=b3M1MGlkYXBpNHNi

Ok I did it. Part of what I read is reasonable and I agree with, and part of that doubt or cancel basic things the other side did. Some of that I even saw myself in social media or it was testified that is very transparent to me there is a denial here. I will keep looking but it is clear from reading those articles that the propaganda goes both ways.

@hundreth You agree too soon to that. I dont understnd why. I see something else. IDF says 14K "killed". Not "maybe killed maybe wounded..." https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-16/ty-article/.premium/israel-at-war-day-284-israeli-army-says-it-killed-half-of-hamas-military-leadership/00000190-bc80-d458-a3d7-bfe7f9e10000

@Raze The UN said 10K less 2 months ago (~25K)

The 38K is a combination of hamas combatants and civilians.

@Raze I compare armed terrorists to civilians.

(38.8-14):14= 1:1.8 Best ratio ever in a war of western military against guerilla, and with a big gap.

@Raze A combatants civillians ratio of 1:1 to 1:1.5 at most is far more careful than the ratios in Iraq that were 1:5 to 1:10. Is this careful enough? No. But the problem exists every time a western military has to deal with guerilla so be honest. https://x.com/yaakovkatz/status/1749870793486405750

Former Head of IDF (2002-2005) and Minister of Defense (2013-2016) Moshe Ya'alon.

Agree Not to mention how US and Europe attacks on Isis resulted in far worse outcome (equivalent to 10 twitter linktrees a day of @Raze) but the anti Israeli movement will never admit that.

Probably because the religion Identity is uniquely important in this area to preserve liberal values system, what isn't necessary in most of the world, and pesonally I am not attached to my religion not nearly as much I am attached to our values system.