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📊 71% of Israelis want the war to end with a hostage deal (hamas demands full withdrawal from Gaza).

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I will try to think and to find those. A bit harder than to find a conventional one obviously I think young meditation course instructor, breathing session guide, "trauma releasing" session guide etc are to my opinion most of them in the first PC stage. Even most CBT therapists are I think either conventional or new to PC. Social Justice protestors or leaders. Most Naturopaths(?) Most Homeopaths.

The first post-conventional stage primarily deals with spiritual bypassing, yet it still doesn't fully confront its inner demons, as there is an ongoing internal conflict with a clear distinction between good and bad within its own psyche. The conventional stages are strongly demonized by this stage and are seen to it as mostly or almost entirely wrong. The ability of this first PC stage to regulate its emotions and to do a revolutionary inner talk is still unripe.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DC0-LSHIszF/?igsh=eTdndTBza3ExeGpn Israel's opposition leader: "Military success should not be confused with victory. There is no victory without a diplomatic element". "The elements of victory will be the return of the hostages to their families; building a civilian government in Gaza in place of Hamas; removing Hezbollah from the northern border and returning the residents to their homes with a sense of trust and security."

Ok I found a way to make the pictures clearer.

Former senior commander in IDF: "The government lost the public's trust".

Three former Defense Ministers oppose the continuation of the fighting in Gaza.

Whenever a politician talks in a more personal vibe like here I will sometimes show it, but mostly I will try to avoid the obvious regular talks from them even if they are anti the government, who half of them are.

Until the Strategist stage it all seems good to me, but the Ego/Constuct aware stage sounds like something she might have heard from people in a very specific niche, and doesn't do justice with the richness that such a developmental stage, or any stage, should encompass.

The article in hebrew (you will need to translate the page)

No. Primarily because they support Israel and thats it. Common ground, common values.

"A right winger must first be a passionate leftist before he can have a decent amount of system thinking". An another misconception.

A misinterpretation of the model can easily distance us from others and make us stop listening to them, as we may believe we already know where they are on the map. However this is an oversimplification. Here are a few examples. 1. "A Blue person (center of gravity) must first become 'fully materialistic and secular' (a narrow wrong view of Orange) before they can become really Green." 2. "A new Green person must first be 'fully pacifist' (a narrow wrong view of Green) before they can become Yellow." These statements are completely wrong because they cherry-pick only one characteristic of a given stage out of many others, and interpret it as the condition for transitioning to the next stage. This is a conflation of content with neural cross-contents processes. You may say "But Yellow listens to every view" but you can't truly listen if you engage with these mistakes. The truth is that a blue person can develop through many other different contents and areas through which is perhaps already conquered parts of those stages you can't know about. In addition, one can be Yellow and understand the limits of Pacifism without even never be a fully pacifist himself. Connecting the dots does not always require stepping on each dot seperately with you own legs. This means, be humble and recognize that people are capable of developing more fluidly than it may seem, which will allow you to genuinely listen to and understand their point of view, not from a place of superiority or inferiority.

Tel Aviv I think it is. And it is the biggest city in Israel.

I appreciate the valid points raised in the post about our government's propaganda strategies, historical problems surrounding the country establishment, the urgent need to halt settlements expansion and the fact Jews aren't inherently special. However I strongly disagree with characterizing, even if implicitly and subconsciously only, the mentality of Ethnic Cleansing as were the core or the most foundational aspect of Israeli collective mentality. I will explain my perspective from my 37 years of experience here. I want it to be high quality and to bring an added value, so I will tell about myself and my close circles mainly to share my first hand direct experience. When I was 4 year old I reside in Reut, a town in central Israel established for career soldiers, primarily from the Air Force. My father is a retired non-combatant officer from the Air Force. In my circle of my family, friends and school for 12 years of official education, the conversations though obviously were 95% on personal issues, but when came to politics, they were mainly about the need to co-exist and the tough situation of us Israelis in a reality of regular terror attacks. My school education focused on several key themes: 1. The establishments of Israel and its wars. 2. Peace efforts with Syria and Lebanon post-Egypt and Jordan agreements. 3. The reality of terror attacks when we really talked in a sadly manner in the class after each one. 4. The assassination of Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin and his commitment to peace. 5. Experiences during the Second Intifada and our resilience in the face of terror. 6. Co-exiatance with Arabs citizens and other minorities. 7. Mutual respect to all individuals regardless of differences. The desire to take more land at the expense of the Palestinians was never mentioned in any of my circles and surroundings during all of my childhood, adolescent and even not in my military education, courses, and service in my base, be surprised. Worth mentioning again, my town wasn't a "hippy" one at all, but an Air Force project with IDF career soldiers all over the town. This kind of desire was a thing I have heard only firstly on TV when a religious right winger person brought on air. Even the mainstream channels and even today after Oct7th rarely express this desire, and talk almost only about the hostages, the war, the distrust on Netanyahu, the need for reasonable strategic to long term solutions to the 'day after' the war. There is only one channel, out of four, that is 'devoted' to Right wing ideas which is realtively new and I am less familiar with. Even through the last decade when I participate in discussions of the centrist Lapid's political party activists "There Is A Future" (Yesh Atid in Hebrew) the desire to take Palestinians land wasn't mentioned there at all. To be honest, although my education system was defined as the public and official one, I can't know what exactly kids in Jerusalem or Be'er Sheva have learned and if the nuances were different or not. And yes, in bigger groups online conversations with Right wingers as well, the vibe from them is often different than what I used to. What I want to emphasize though, is that my experience has taught me that there is no singular line of thinking, such as ethnic cleansing, that dominates Israeli mentality. Rather, it depends on which sector holds which position, and those sectors are always in conflict and often contradict each other.