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Part of the world! But a big one.

The reason why ONLY now the world is so noisy but not in other wars is precisly because Israel's relatively high values and consciousness. The real issue here is the great system resisting a growing up process trying to happen. All the rest - backward rationalizations.

@Lila9 The more people resist, the better. This is the system pushed to a corner trying its best to go back to its familiar unhealthy homeostasis as it feels its foundations being shaken. The enormous resistance we see these days is the best indication to a good change just behind the corner. Growing up HURTS but this is how things work. Israel just have to keep going with a deep self trust. This is Israel's real test.

All of that has been proven to be wrong in october 7th while before that you maybe would be right. Keep in mind that without bombing before, IDF would be sitting ducks in front of hamas fortifications prepared for IDF for years what would make hundreds of soldiers getting killed in Gaza by now.

+1 Frustrated freedom fighthers I want them to have a future but they won't have one if hamas stays in charge. tricky. So what do you suggest? How can Israel destroy hamas without civilian casualties in your opinion?

Edit: oops I thought you meant to the spokesman I got confused because of the video under your massage. But any way I agree. About the spokesman I saw a report on him about how he is connected to his brother who has special needs (I don't like this term becasue everyone has unique challenges just not as visible but anyway) and how he cares about him and helps him. The report is in hebrew, I try to find a translation but for now just take a picture to illustrate his very humane side.

@Buck Edwards In israel they are an extremist minority. In Gaza and among the palestinians this kind of values are very commom and (part of) the norm.

A brave woman in Gaza speaks her feelings: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzcAsbavq4z/?igshid=MWp6ODk4NWpwZzJrZw== I see those young men in the backround and I really feel I want a future for them, and obviously hamas will prevent from them any chance of good life if will still stay in charge. It must be eliminated.

I understand that part of the world sees the things like that, but in reality, both sides found themselves caught up in a war, and which for what I have read and know, started by the arabs who resisted the UN partition plan. I am not expecting the muslim world to see the picture in the favor of Israel, but from a minority of the liberal world who falls too much into the simplistic "victim-opressor" childish scheme that is very twisted in this case, to grow above that and for at least take a more balanced and healthy perspective.

Quite naive. Hezbollah is Iran's proxy and an arm of the Islamin Revolitionary Guard Corps of Iran (Since 1979) who was one of the causes of destabilization in Lebanon, along with other palestinian terror organizations who took over Lebanon and caused a war between them and local groups. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_insurgency_in_South_Lebanon Also his passion in his eyes when he says Israel "cannot win the war" or there "will be a ceasefire!" exposes his bias in one hand and his lack of understanding and familiarity with Israel in the other hand. Yes there "will be a ceasefire" after 1200 Israelis been killed and while our 240 hostages are still there. Absurdity. Neither fair nor developed perspective at all.

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1. Yes but It doesn't justify a promil of its actions. 2. Yes the palestinians have suffered from this conflict what has caused radicalization, but that wouldn't happen without their initial tendency to be that way, even before Israel, what we can see in the mufti of jerusalem and his values that were similar to hamas's, and probably reflect some part of the population that lived here. All of that even before the "help" from Israel. Not true. More than 1,100 Israeli citizens had been murdered during 2nd intifada in early 00's by hamas terrorists from west bank mainly but not only. 3. Agree 4. But Israel attacks in Gaza almost always only after being provoked and Israel has never declared it has a goal to eliminate the palestinians but hamas did declare it wants to eliminate Israel. I think the Jews established Israel are in one way occupiers but not less than that if not even more - refugees. therefore the picture is very complex.

I have never heard even one Israeli in all the 36 years I live here who thinks what you just wrote. Sounds very crazy.

Shame on them. How dare them trying to deffend themselves from 7 huge arab countries.

Lets just put them in an artifical mental frame and then we don't have to think they are humen and moral like us. So from today on I will call the mexican people salsaians. Ohh how weird they are.

👍 I like how you summarized it. I hope the hostages are also taken into account by the government as much as possible, because here in the news studios from how the people there and the commentators are speaking, I got the impression everyone in Israel understand that to bring back the hostages is a top priority and the war cannot be won without getting them back.

A Palestinian authority regime, with the help and a security co-operation with Israel OR with other forces is a healthy situation, like what happens today in the west bank while Israel and the palestinian authority work together to prevent hamas from growing there, which is a strong interest of both Israel and the palestinian authority.

I choose to believe she is honest and authentic in her speech and emotions she showed in it, because it won't be fair to dismiss it. But I think what needs to be understood is that without removing this extreme terror organization, nobody will be in a better place, not Israelis nor the palestines, and while she chooses to focus only on one side's problems, without thinking deeper on why Israel does what it does, she actually give this terror organization exactly what it wants and play into it's hands. It does not mean she can't say for example that Israel's attacks need to be more surgical because maybe there is room to improve that. But these simplistic moral preacheses only make us stay stuck and are like stick on the wheels that delay the arrival of the necessary change.

Shifting? I dont understand what you mean here.

I understand what you say and you have an interesting point, but I think that in the field of blue armys Israel is quite confident in its superiority on the other armys in the middle east. As it also been proven in the past.

Agree. Probably only a more stage blue leadership like the more moderate palestinian authority at the beggining.

@_Archangel_ This is immoral for Israel to agree a ceasefire as long as our 240 hostages are there. Also it will help hamas get organized better to the fight and kill more soldiers for nothing. Also this is worth mentioning that eliminating hamas will do good long term to the Gazaians much much more than anything else the hypocrite world will want Israel to do in that time. Dont get confused with humanitarian aid which to this Israel agree all the time. You want a chance the world will respect you then respect yourself first.

I don't know. Its not about an agreemt right now but to do good tactic moves. The palestinians were offered countless times to get a state in the west bank and they have always rejected every offer.

To eliminate hamas and give the control to the palestinian authority with the help of another forces/IDF. After that to stop the settlements expansion and even declare on it officialy. Then we will see whats next.