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@Serotoninluv Thanks! Where do you think the extreme-left is on the spiral?

@mandyjw ok yes you are right. Thanks for the answer. Very interesting. Do you think blue can be equally left and right or that blue is mainly right-wing?

@Joseph Maynor if i know that there are infinite causes and effects for every thing, and all the atoms make me think what i think (Determinism idea) and therefore we can't control anything, we all like moving on a rail road. and that is the prove that all society is one organism. This is not what turqouise understands? Because It can be explained scientificly.

You are not serious i hope haha

@Yellow_Girl but there is also premise 4 - you have to BE the previous stages and live and breath those stages too. And still every blue, orange and green person has something he knows that you dont. In other words - you have work to do in order to go turquoise. Maybe your best friend will be at yellow and above. Its ok. But you steel have a lot to learn from every stage especially in embracing every stage (healthy parts) through your LEGS (and not through mind) !! Also send spiral dynamics to your friends and family.

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And do 15-30 minutes of just whatching my thoughts/emotions, the mind is smarter than you and it will by-pass it, in a way that you THINK you are watching objectively, but in the sub consiouse level, the mind filters out all the uncomfortable watching and let me do the "watch" only on the things it allows me! that's what i think happen to me. You think you do a "broadband" whatching but actually it is not the case, and during the months my mind get used to it (in similar way it respond less and less to antidepresants i think) and I feel i am actually keep doing the same neural rout in my brain all the time! It feels to me like it becomes the new default line for my brain and if feels much LESS effective over time. Have you feel like that too? and what did you do to get out of this and restore the effectiveness like you had in the start?

@CreamCat I read vegan people who said its a lie. Its seems to me quite rare to be care of all-animals life in red blue stages. But even if its true, it just because he grasped animals as the right kind of living-being and jews, homosexuals and gypsies as the wrong side. It is still a racial ideology. If someone thinks of some races of humans as viruses, it is no problem for him to put the animals above them. I think animals are totally equal to humans in the end of the day.

@Not me its all about your flexibility and how less ideological you are. One who is very moderate and soft-right-wing (and close enough to the center) can be even in tier 2.

@Not me yellow will lead much more flexible economy with capitalist or socialist attitude depends on the situation and the time. For my opinion. I think Yellow is much more centrist.

Orange use only researches and cold logical details to tell him what food is healthy ?‍♂️ Green knows that our intuition and senses are MUCH better indicators to know whats healthy because fruits and vegetables were adapted to us biologically during evolution of millions of years, and no scientist will EVER be smarter than this. Yellow will use both the wisdom of nature and science to know more accurately how to manage his nutrition cleverly to not have defficiencies. for example science shows us that iodine is diluted from the ground becuase of the excessive industrial use, and therefore its important to take this mineral from organic seaweed or to buy the food from natural and very specific farms.

@bejapuskas but if it wasn't useful then the model wasnt useful... but we know the model IS useful. Dont you want to know where are you in the map? And from this to know what your challenges are?

@Ferdi Le thats great. So you probably already have 10-20% Of yellow (?) How can we know how much (approximately) we have from a color we have just did the first steps in it? I feel very similar to what you said. Especially in veganism.

Red: I will eat YOU ?

@d0ornokey Yellow - vegan/vegetarian rate will be like green or above in my opinion. Turquoise - even higher rate.

@kieranperez hope it will be much easier after several days and I wish you to adapt rapidly ?

@ivory thanks ?

I have a conversation with friend and he says that the fact that "every stage add something new and iclude the good sides of the prior stages" - he thinks its otopic. Also he says "and what if the green stage is exaggarating and cancel stage blue too much? That it overlook (or throwing out) some things of the blue stage that are good things?" "The method is problematic because it shows only one way the world can progress" "Its unrealistic because in the real world it hard to seperate "good" and "bad" things" I tried to explain him its not mathematics and every person has some colors in different degrees... and that some person may learn a lesson from orange and after a month another lesson that he didnt learnd well" And after that he said " its sounds better but i still dont like the seperation to colors". I really dont know what he wants. Can you help how to explain it to him? Do you have some ideas?

@Shadowraix ?

@Shadowraix thank you ill tell him that . I didnt understand the last sentence "See the perspective so you can see the point before one looks down on it. " what did you mean?

@Truth Addict yes it seems he has biased opinion about that without really know it and its frastrating me a bit ? He has read my summary of the model until orange and didnt countinue to read during the last month. I told him the model is only simplification of reality. He like very much knowledge (and history and statistics about societies) so its so wierd the model doesnt appeal to him. The model can help him understand much better the reality. Thank you and i will tell him what you said

Wow i feel that two. In last 5 years i was in constant stress to be a good singer and make everyone notice me and see me. But lately i just switched this and the goal bacame much more clear to me - what makes me happy is not the recognition from other, but the SHARING of my abilities and also help other people to go up. I feel like i'm 'melting' myself into connection with others and all my anxiety disorder has reduced significantly. It is realy about changing the wiring of your attention in the situations and less change the situations itself. So you are not alone and i think the desire to create will come back to you, but in more soft and less neurotic way

It makes sense what you say and i'm partially agree. There is ~55% of the population in israel who are blue-orange (in average) and this is still much above the average of middle east (red-blue). But, there is also ~45% of israel citizens who are orange-green and we are NOT in the government since 2009. I think this half is progressing well and not really different from western europe. I believe this half is connected emotionally to the western world and hence will keep going up. About the other half..... this is chalenging and i agree with you. USA have special relationship with Israel. I strongly believe its not all interesting but also values based. Russia and Iran are co-operate in some degree but Iran regime is the no1 sponser of terrorism and it supported by 20-30% of Iran population. Most of Iran citizens are moderate and want to connect the western world but their regime is arresting them even for hearing pop music. Very dark regime they have. Its interesting what you said about trump ill think about what you said. Trump is indeed primitive and cold thinking but in the other hand he really simphatize israel and prefer israel in almost every topic. The former USA un embassador Nicki Heily is republican but i think she is relatively developed person (blue-orange-green) she fought against all the UN hypocrisity about israel (the only democracy in ocean of violent ideologies). She was a lighthouse of sanity in her work as an embassador in the un. Thank you ♥️ P.S The previous embassador (in obamas era i dont remeber her name) was leftist green but she have joined the un hyporisy and this is one of stage green fails in my opinion. I really dont think every green person will have to pass this naive sub-stage in order to become yellow. I think you can be realistic green and support justice and than in the future become yellow.

And there is an Instagram user which simulates a jewish girl called Eva during the WW2 who updates every hour how she and her family doing. And so far her last update was that she has taken by the nazis to the ghetto. In the morning she will send new updates from the ghetto. It seems so realistic. After watching it, i felt very proude that today we are strong. We have strong army and everyone know that the jews that were so unprotectable during the holocause, are now one of the strongest states in the world. We have smart airplanes and enourmesly smart missles and submarines. It makes me very proud and excited every year this day. Many people takes for granted their privillege to leave in the (relatively) free western world of today, that they can read the last paragraph and think its "primitive" to get excited from "strong state" or "army" and other patriotic words. Just to remind those people: the only reason you live in a free democracy is because the fact that USA is the police officer of the world, with the strongest army in the world. "Army" is not a bluish primitive word. Army can exist (and will exist) in every stage. Including green and yellow. It just be much more moral and ethic one. Army is the thing which keeps our high values alive. Army Is the physical armor shield of orange-green-yellow-above values. So its OK to be proud and have warm feeling from that. But its not that within Israel we are all ok. In 2-3 weeks from now we going to have the most currapt government ever was in israel with 4 or 5 ministers who charged with bribery and prime minister who also accused on something similar. And we are, the liberal ones, gonna have a lot of work to do if we want to save our country from drowning in the values of this blue-blue-orange toxic governmemt. The story of Eva (in english!) Here: https://instagram.com/eva.stories?utm_source=ig_profile_share&igshid=cqvnloqufjpw

@Truth Addict when Israel will just reach tier 2, the rest of middle east will still be at tier 1.