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But what is the point if i'm not influencing them, even slightly?
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@Aakash @Shiva interesting. maybe they will be more open to the model during the time (especially if we loose the election ?)? thanks ?
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I'm not forcing them at all. I try to do it smoothly and friendly. I think its legitimate to want my country to progress a little faster (and not like a turtle).
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Really like your answer very cheering me up. The main thing brought me to actualized.org is my OCD and anxiety disorder i have, and i started with Leo's videos of meditation techniques and later to the more 'hard core' videos and also then - in order to make my mental health better (the main reason) and it really helps me. Obviousely also my political interest plays a role here. Maybe because of my mental issue and the way i went in with the meditations for 2.5 years (so far) - it made me a little more developed than most of the activists in my political Party? Note that the reason i want to teach them SD, is in order to give them the ability to make Israel society move up the spiral much more efficiently (because its possible only through yellow strategy because green strategy will only make the society polarized) and be more advanced country.
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Mezanti, its not true no matter how much times you repeat it. I live in a settlement which many career soldiers are living in especially Israeli military pilots. I know very well the culture of those people from when i was 4 year-old. They are sensitive people, they have high values of humannity and acceptance, and ethics. They are liberal people. Life values are above everything. Hamas (leaders of palestines in gaza) knows that, and just because of that, he fires from hospitals, from children gradens, from schools and in this way its impossible for Israel to not kill MISTAKENLY Innocent civilians from time to time. Hamas forces his civilians to stay close to him physically when fires to make israel not to attack them just because they KNOW Israel's "weakness" (morality). Hamas executes people who has suspected in co operating with israel, and than dragging his body on the road with a car! You cant even imagine how barbaric they are including to they own people. They have no limits at all.
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I cannot answer this because you only say "no no you are wrong". Ok.
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This is not true. The Palestines are suffering because of their leaders "Hamas" who takes all the money they get on daily basic from israel and waste it on terror weapons, terror summer camps of 5 year old Palestines children with weapons on their shoulders (videos are spreading all the time in the net), terror tunnels, missiles and etc. They could be "singapure" of the middle east if they wanted so. Israel acts only when provoked and missiles thretenes the life of israeli children. Hamas uses its citizens and even hospitals as human shields and hides missles in active hospitals! I respect the purpose of this forum so i dont want to start an argument about it but i had to answer that. We can keep talking in private if you want
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?? Netanyahu i think is not a bad man inside of him but the survivle urge (trying not to go to jail) makes him regress back in his values and threaten the democracy regime. And even before this, from day one, he always splits the society and incites his voters against the other half.
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Hi shahar im also from israel nice to know you are here! Can you share what do you think we have to do to make Israel better?
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What do you mean Leo can you explain? There are indeed problems: 1. Our current prime minister Netanyahu is very similar to Trump. He is probably corrupt and endangers the mentality of his voters in a toxic de-humanization of the left. Just now he failed of establishing a government and we are in #2 election in just half a year! In 17.9 we have a second chance to defeat him. If he wins, he will be dangerous for the supreme court because he wants to escape the jail with all cost! Our democracy is thretened in a way it was never before. 2. 45% of israelis are well developed people (orange-green) and if we win - Israel will back to the right rout. 17.9.2019 is the 2nd election (the first was only 2.5 months ago).
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? agree
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When consious politics will be published?
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Maybe they think you showed stage turquoise differently to what they meant? Because of the spiritually context of it. And in previous stages the story is much more clear, and there is no problem because there is only one way to produce them.
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Maybe Youtube managers are at yellow and therefore opposed to turquoise values ?
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Can you explain why? It can be a very powerful tool to wake up people if i will be able to explain WHY their capitalist ideology is dangerous (and help them move to green). 2. When you will upload this topic (conscious politics) to youtube? I am very curious about this topic.
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@11modal11 how can vladimir putin be Coral?! he eliminates people who are opposed to him and supresses gay protests. putin is just BLUE for my opinion. Coral wouldnt do those unmoral and unconsiouse things.
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@Leo Gura it will be also about helping people (and my country) move up the spiral? ?
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Soften them more and more as long as you keep developing. If your mental issues aren't getting milder and softer during the months and years (long run) of self development - then you are not developing.
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I put the extreme right-wing on blue, and the extreme left wing on green. "Its politically biased! You say left is superior!" I said that no, it just that that early stages are more surviving - MY needs, MY family... Right = Me, My, Our... So of course that extreme right-wing will be blue and extreme leftist will be green. But my friend says "No. Stalin was left!" I said - but how he can be left when murdering so many people? And he said: "because he wanted total equality. He doesnt care only his family but he cares all his society, he cares the whole state. And he thinks everyone is equal. He doesnt believe in religion, he believes in sharing agriculture... He thinks much more like the left than like the right... Therefore stalin is LEFT! " What do you think?
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@ValiantSalvatore and yes, in my country ~45% are orange-green. I know that just because the election results and values of that sector (gender equality, LGBTQ rights etc) As you said POTENTIALLY ? because nobody knows this model exist!
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@ValiantSalvatore what does it mean "to process unfold"? The new book will tell me how to help people move up the spiral? I read only the introducation (the only pages which available in the internet) and it doesnt look very convincing. It seems the book only reffers the macro (organizations, states and etc) but i want more knowledge about how to make people move up the spiral by one-on-one conversations and things i can say to them to make them want the next stage.
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I know what yellow is, but turqouise is not clear to me. Yes, turqouise is when yellow is ready to let the things loose, and now (in turqouise) he thinks less, he 'flows' more with the stream and co-oparate with people, he thinks that the world is one organism... he is more spontaneous... I read eckhart tolle book "power of the moment" and i understand and liked very much the book. But only agreeing with all that the book says and loving the book doesnt make you turqouise... you have to really be in this stage. But how? it sounds too amorphic. Unmeasurable and unindicativable. Right now i try to chalenge myself to think more and more like yellow. But in the future, in couple of years, i want to have any indication to know if i started turqouise or not. How can i ever know?
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@Leo Gura Where can i find turquoise people and actually have easily direct conversation with them (not gurus, just people ?)? In which facebook groups?
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@Leo Gura tell those people the "how to transcend blue/orange" that you have said at the end of the videos, can be helpful to open them a little bit (When doing it softly and not pushy)? And thank you for the in depth answer.
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@Serotoninluv ? I really dont have problem to give them the candy toffy "yes yes blue is extreme left too" just to make them fucking READ the summary I did on the model and to learn it.