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How it contradicts what I wrote? Obviousely advance people will show the path to the truth to the less advanced ones. But, the advanced people can very easily forget things that the less advanced people do more and there is a good deal of truth also in their path. If you are really spiritually advanced - you will have to do integration between the two! Attaching too much to spiriualy path and neglecting others asspects of life is by itself a good resource for suffering. and it can so easily be forgotten.

@tsuki "inferior" understanding is only relative and not linearily "less" than the superior one. Spiritual advance people can easily forget to do integration between their agenda and the 'inferior' agenda. People who are much less spiritual can still teach the advance people things, like for example, balance between spirituality and other behaviours that they most likely forgot during their spiritual path - like socializing more, do more sports, re-develope participation in regular society. Integration is very important! I am claiming that this kind of integration is - Turquoise.

How can I transcend this desire to happiness? Because its totally instinctive desire. What can i do?

What i miss in this process? I head first real experience of awakening because of tough emotional period + the daniel m ingram book. After i read the equinimity paragraphe he read than i realized and the dots get connected and this is so special feeling! But - the anxiety keep going and even got stronger and i dont know why. It has very dissapointed me. I start to think that equinimity and awakening is not enough to feel good. What I miss in order to feel better? Because i HAD awakening experience this week it was so special. I understood all feeling are same and all moments also. Its feels like total equinimity exactly how its written in his book "the core teaching of the budha". So great thing i reached. But the anxiety just get stronger yesterday and ocd was 200 km/hr inside my jead. Like the awakening didnt really help!

Maybe you right but when you do "observing" much enough, than it become the zero point of the mind and feels just as any regular egoic action, and it looses the effectiveness. Imagine if you responde every anxiety attack in "observe". After a while the system gets so regular to this so It becomes to be the new compulsion. when I changed technique and than after a while returned to the "observe", than sometimes it come back fresh and work again. Or do you mean that if ill reach more concentration ability it will work better? I just dont want to think that we must do a lot of effort in order to combat ocd and i believe its false.

NOW you'r saying its bad? You should say it 10 years ago ?

? thanks thats exactly what ill try from now.

Even to "observe" its a groundless technique that I have realized that simply doesnt work when Im in ocd or anxiety attack. Maybe only the body is the answer - slow down as you said and maybe also sit down for a minute without doing nothing.

@Zorka meditation and spiritually seeking can be very helpful as long as it is just one piece of your day and don't make you do less the other things you do in life. If the process makes you to be less with family and less with friends - than you are doing wrong. Spirituality might not be a private nor an isolating thing. Its very easy to fall the cycle of intrusive thoughts. If it already more than an hour left and you still try to solve this backlash issue that makes you afraid - just do another things! The solution will come to you effortlessly on its time The whole spritually process have to be in balance with other activities in life, for your emotionaly health!

Actually this 'dark night' was less dark than the previous in 2018, which was less dark than 2017 which was less than 2016. Which means a real progressing trend line. Maybe dark twilight of july. Insights: 1. Every moment is good and interesting enough by itself! Always. Goals are fine but not as a replacement of present moment well being. If you feel different look for maslow hierarchy most basic needs (under self achivement). Every other reasoning the brain does = illusion and not the actual reason. "But I dont feel good enough because I didnt achived that goal and that goal" = illusion. 2. No technique which comes from the head can deal by itself with backlashes. The technique will neutralized by the brain. Sensations and feeling are better to use but still 99% of the time are manipulated to the favor of surviving strategy. Any method which incorporates activities done by the head - even most simple you can think of and which takes only one second - will fail most of the time during backlashes because the frontal cortex is neutralized and you won't feel "clicks" means the brain will not give you a permission that the thing was actually done. 3. Body activity - walk, sit and do nothing for a minute etc. - is a much better way. Still dont know if enough, but better for sure. 4. Dont be attached too rigidly to any method and dont forget the IDEAS (not techniques, not mantras) of acceptance, love or just making yourself something tasty to drink (only natural! ?) 5. Micro ego backlashes (after micro ups) happens all the time! Maybe the serious ego backlashes are just a lot of micro backlashes that accumulated cause suppressed by us during the months?

I understood what Leo meant I just said i agree with 2 states solution ? But I admit that I want it because israel interests only. From bird eye yes i understand its not easy maybe i am missing things but, the best way *to the palestinians too* is to incorporate in the process an "economic peace" which will encourage economical development of west bank and help them to be more orange because this is a stage they can grasp and move into! Thats the best mayble only hope to make change in the relationships between israel and palestinians.

I agree we need to seperate oursleves from the palestinians because the friction is exhausting and also corrapts us.

Gaza for example is a complete authonomy with border, Israel is not there at all since 2005, and Hamas takes all the money Israel gives him and expliot it to terror weapon, and leave the citizens a minimal amount of money. The humanitarian situation in Gaza is terrible even tough dozens of tracks with food and medicine cross the border from israel to gaza every week. Actually if there was a palesinian state, they were most likely suffer more because the palestinian leadership is red cruel (hamas) and red-blue in the best case (palestinian authority). And we cant know what leadership will grow up there after Mahmud abbas will leave. Maybe hamas will take back part of the control in west bank. The only reason hamas dont control west bank today its because israel doing security job every night and co oparating with the palestinians authority. Actually we kind of save west bank citizens from hamas because the palastinian authority is probably not strong enough to secure the west bank from hamas. I stiil want seperation from them also in the west bank, but it has to be made cleverly and with israel's right to do interventions there whenever it wants, in order to keep terrorists from taking control there.

I think trump position is not smart at all and the right thing to do is to allow them enter israel, but it still not black and white because those women didnt want to visit israel and only wanted to visit the pelastinian authority. Why? If you really care about the peace in the rigion, you cant just bypass israelis people and government. But still it would be better to allow them in and not fuel more their biased beliefs. I dont know what are those women value systems. If they are really liberals and only get mislead by the BDS (whose values are like Iran and Saudi) so letting them in maybe even change their mind about israel. In the other hand, if they have arabs nationalists values it would less work and maybe letting them in would grasped by them like a weakness! So i prone to let them in, but the answer is not a clear cut. Trump, although his low consiousness, can still teach us lessons in how to talk to middle eastern people, which liberals people might have be to naive and do damaging things (like they did in the horrible Aslo agreement in 1993 and Iran agreement in 2015). In that kind of thing right-wing people are superior to liberals. After all, every stage is the most expert of his stage issues! We cant overlook that fact. Including blue is not the same as working 9:00-18:00 in blue!

@Leo Gura Zionism, in our terminology, is about loving our land and following the values of the Declaration of Independence which are: 1. Freedom 2. Justice 3. Accepting all of its citizens and be opened to all religions, genders and races without discriminating. Yes, the state is jewish, but every non jewish citizen deserve fully human rights and also right to do his religious rituals whenever he wants just as the jewish people. Its much more elevated than only "nationalism". Much more green. Unfortunately, some parties arent really zionists in the original intention, and they are much more nationalists and those jewish people are heavily blue but the real heavy hard core blue is minority. Jewish population in israel are: ~40-45% orange-green mainly ~55-60% blue-orange mainly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence

Haha love this one

@hamedsf what do you mean the hardcore approach? What technique? Couple days ago I tried to do the everything much slower but than my ocd started to question this technique in overwhelming thinking and "you have to check the second technique first" and "how do you know it really slower than regular. better only watch first" and inner very noisy talking like that. But I think its a good technique and I'll try it again.

But that is exactly why these people are not the most creative nor giving high value to the society and therefore high tax them seems ri be a good thing. But in the other hand, if we tax to high the big corporations managers they will have less motivation to be in your country and it can be a problem. What do you think about that?

Do you mean that this method is the preffered one to help with mental illnesses? Can you explain it? I dont understand exactly what you mean. My tendency is always to think meditation as a technique that change the brain over time but I realize that when I thought like this, it turned out to not being helpful enough.

Or that in the rest of the day I have to be with no effort at all (Zero technically effort)? I find myself many times think that: I will do everyday the 20 minutes meditation/mindfulness technique, and also in the rest of the day, when a negative tought come to me (randomly) I will do the "watch" / the "Do Nothing" / the "Feeling it in my body" etc. method also on the random negative toughts that appears in my head during the day... sometimes. Not all the toughts but sometimes yes and sometimes not." What do you think about applying the spiritual method like this, also in the regular daily time when a negative tought coms up? Is it a good thing? Or is it a compulsive and damaging thing which is nothing but an Egoic/ obssesively trying-to-relax in a smart disguise of "mindfull watching"? Is it can be good sometimes, or do you think that in the regular daily time I have to be completely with no technically and mentally effort at all? Its a question I'v been struggling with a lot, and i'm interested to know what do you think.

@AlldayLoop @Rigel thanks. May I say that the answer for this question is subjective?

I think cold color stages (purple, blue, green, turquoise) have an advantage of mental health above the warm stage. Even tough of course you can be emotionally healthy with warm stages dominant, it is more difficult and they will have to be in more healthy version in order to be healthy like the cold ones. That is my feeling and thinking (dont know if it actually true but I think so). Why? Mainly because the cold color are prone to be much more harmonic and collectively disciplined, and part of mental health is to integrate your mind and brain with others and also NOT doing all what your survivle-driven mind wants to. And inside the cold group turquoise will be the healthiest. Green is the second most healthy, and blue is the 3rd.

I am not enlightened. I just had such an experience of how I grasp this state. When do you think is the liberated state? Is it turquoise? Or a state (without connection to any level)?

Enlightement is a relative thing and its just the discovery of a "new world" in relative to the things you had previousely in your consiouseness. Last year i had some kind of enlighement when I suddenly had a thought that "oh! I am already succesfull! Because I have reached this thing and this thing" and suddenly the anxiety (which takes 3 months of light-moderate anxiety/depression in average) finished overnight. And from that night I just started to feel good and It lasted 6 months and in the end of august it has lost the effect and the mood turned back to the previous state where it was in the winter (and even worse, but for shorter period). For me it was an enlightement.

Great harmony is also boring after a while. Even though it sounds like heaven. It paradoxical for the mind. Thats why Coral will come, I think. But I am not pretending to know what it is because i dont have a clue.