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@universe @hamedsf thank you very much. I just had an obsession of "feeling the anxiety in my body" (the technique itself turned to an obssesion) and I didnt know if to let it go or to let the obssesion keep going and exhuast itself? It sounds like two opposite directions. Then I just decided to let it go. But the obssesion refused to do it, so I decided to let IT go - means - let the obsession do what it wants! Means: its going full circle. But to see it i had to pass an anxiety phase of feeling lost in the question above and flow with it. This insight is amazing its like the obssesion defeated itself.

Before it, one thing - I hope you didn't see my response to you in the topic of infininte intelligence communication 0001# in a negative way cause i dont want to cause this kind of feeling even when i want to critisize something its in a good vibe. not to underestimate it at all but only to show my opinion and feeling in that moment. Just make sure you taked it positively. I wanted to know why did you think that, and i will ask it again directly in another day. To not make this topic heavy. About the "power of letting go": The thing is this - every time I get obssesed or very excited about something and i am busy with this thing for couple of hours / days / weeks (even if its a very positive thing) after that period of time - I start a period of anxiety of totally different topics that has nothing to do with the original topic of the obssesion and no matter how positive was the original topic. don't know what happens in the brain that does this, but it just what happens every time. If you have any idea if why it happens i will very happy to hear. Two questions: 1. I can use the "letting go" method you showed in the video in a way that for example - every 45 minutes of doing that obssesive topic - i will have to take a break of 15 minutes. even without planning times, but takes significant breaks in order to not let my mind get into obssession in action. But, isnt it serves to ego? Becuase i use this method in order to avoid obssesion and avoid the anxiety / downward of mood - after it. Which means - I use this method for in the end of the day to avoid the dark period! It is the opposite of surrendering. The opposite of spirituality training. Because in spirituality training i have NOT to avoid the painful results. But in the other hand - maybe its a legitimate method to manage your brain and your obssesions and to threat OCD! CBT and OCD experts tend to support this letting go training. Dr jeffrey schwarts encourage all the time be the owner of your brain and take steps out even when your brain get locked. You have the power to get your brain out of the swamp. and he always says "you are not your brain" So in that way the leting go method it sound good. So i'm confused. Dont know what is right to do. 2. Assuming that the obssesions are themselves a result of core emotional problem and psychological problems - doesnt the letting go method threat only the symptoms and not the core issues? Because in this assumption - the letting go method kill the mosquitoes but doesnt dry the swamp.

Is it useful? Did you try it and it has improved your life? If it did, how and how much?

What kind of excercizes you do?

When you don't have something wise to answer

Or that the person must do an inner work too, and go through self dissonances in order for this to happen? I claim that orange-green education (for example) is not enough, and the person must deal successfuly with his inner crises and do inner grow, in order to discover in his own direct experience the nessesity of orange-green stages and to really stabilize within them.

@hamedsf nutrition is the next project - to be more close to 801010, but still with legums too. i believe those are important too. The thing is that everytime I get attached to one thing like enlightenment it becomes very hard to me to try another parameters in the same time because than i wont know the source of the improvement (enlightenment or nutrition) and it makes me feel so hard dissonance i cant stand it, so I surrender to one parameter and go only with it for a while.

Make me feel as good as I felt before the serotonin level got down. Like this: If serotonin level is "10" and ego level is 10 you will feel harmony. But if your serotonin drops to "8" but ego stays at 10, you will be: 1. overwhelmed 2. Unable to organize all your toughts and you will have a neurologic civil war in your brain. 3. or just that your fears will apear more prone to happen in reality. Thats MY feeling and interpretation. I know its simplistic and the real picture is a lot more complex - dozens of parameters, BUT, i can't overlook the fact that almost every year, in mid-summer, when light time begins to decline, my ocd incline and getting to its peak in August-October (averagely). I know that I am not supposed to look for ways to "improve" my situation (or am I?) Because than the duality in my mind just get stronger and all the point is to teach my mind that this duality (in mood) is just falsehood in its root. But anyway, i wanted to share this tought with you. If you want to add things from your experience or just what do you think about it - it can be nice to develop the topic, of course only if you want and have something to add not easy for me this period in the year, but I find spiritual tools absolutely helpful to me.

I could not understand your example. The let go method doesnt just rearranging outside things? And if no, why?

It is not black or white, there are degrees and the fear you feel makes it bigger than what it is.

But the real grow vs fake grow video is some how contradict the claim that let go method solving the root problem. Because let go method is a mechanical method to make the brain more flexible. Dont get me wrong i like this attitude and i think it enourmesly helpful its THE behavioral tool to deal with ocd and leo made it even more clear and accessible to me as it wasnt before! But, the letting go method doesn't make the mind really learn why to give up his need to be obssessed! Just to move on to another issue (and let go the previous issue) is a little like putting a mask and thats what the "real vs fake grow" video is talking about.

Leo do you mean that the will we have is only infinite will, but not the will we regulary think of it - this is not exist? Because in this video (almost finished see it) you said there is no free will:

But you dont choose to pick one though. It has been chosen for you because there is no free will (only infinite will and the wisdom of nature is choosing for you what you will do).

What can be said against veganism due to animal cruelty? Should we think that the meat industry is good as to not have meat industry? I think there are no both right sides on this issue. Just ignorant (for animal industry) and consciousness (against animal industry). It is very clear to me what is the prefferable choice.

Thank you :) very interesting video i watched yesteday and today i'll se the 'master your emotions'.

Difficulty level: over 9000

Right but on the other hand when I do the "let go" in order to dissolve the OCD (make it weaker) I am FOR the ego because there is a clear goal of the method for me. And in the same time is also AGAINST because letting go its not thrivial action and not always easy. The both (for and against) are in the immediate term. I feel that maybe I didnt rich the point you meant. Ok now (before sending) I just read once again your first message and i think i understand. You mean that basically all the spiritual path is in the long term FOR the ego?

@hamedsf actually you are right but the light parameter seems to be very strong and persisting of deremine my mood every year. August-October are the worst most of the years. March-May is the best period for my mental well being almost every year!! Thats the periods of time when the derivative (slope of change) of light time and intensity (angle from zenith = radiation) are at maximum. Trust me im meteorologist ? The slope is the most important because the body get accostumed to minimum light in december and january and the effect is decrease. Thats why the absolute light is less important. It is very very strong in my case that what i feel. About the rest of your message - I read all of it but i will read again to make sure i understand you and than I will reply again

@hamedsf just to clarify myself: I am not underestimate it at all. Actually if i was underestimate it I wouldn't ask nothing about it because I would just filter this method out for disconnection. I am asking precisely because I liked it and in order to solve that conflict i have about it. There are two contradicting voices inside of me that both of them sound convincing and thats the problem. What you are saying now is interesting. Maybe there is no way to dissolve the ego without also going with him? So in this way, every spiritual development method will do the both - going with the ego and against it - in the same time?

I agree with you and with Leo that the intelligence of the universe is accumulated and also interconnected with us all the time (even scientificly it sounds right to me) with our trillion cell connections that represent infinite information of the universe, and that you can really see it only under meditative and/or psychedalic states that break the survivle driven brain processing matrix. And also we are interconnected to one global organism and this is also can be explained scientificly (determinism) but the science culture still deny it as a cognitive-behavioral essense (which is become fully acceptable and inherented only around stage Turquoise). I just disagree with Leo about the claim that a specific chemical X can show you the infinite intelligence and another chemical Y doesn't. how can he know? How can we know? And thats why I thought we are escaping to a different game which is far away from the essense you talk about.

To claim that a specific chemical X shows you the infinite intelligence is just a beliefe and a feeling. How can you know how the infinite intelligence feels like? And what chemical shows it? And you start a new game of words and assumptions that can lead easily to a new religion and its easy to get very attached to this magical game and get lost in it.

@Leo Gura It Seems to me a little dangerous to misinterperate changes in the brain as "infinite intelligence". Its not different than all the religion tower cards they build on self experience and getting attached to this thongs instead of the real core behind it. With all the respect Leo i think its a slippery slope. Infinite intelligence even tough I AGREE with this and i think its real and we DO have it -still can't be "seen" through one chemical or another.

It seems (and I am exactly the same like you with my neurosis) that you use this techniques to escape those uncomfortable feelings and as you do that, you are only worsen the duality in your brain between the "bad" place and the "good" place you want those method to take you!

Hunting is natural but animal agriculture in high scales in its organaized or industrial way is an interruption for the natural balance. You can't fix natural problems with artificial steps. Its unhealthy and only create more problems in the system.

Artificial "meat" from cells, tough it can't be healthy, because its artificial, is an acceptable way to spread veganism through altough there is better ways - natural foods. But saying that we need animal agriculture and to keep some of the cruelty to animals sorry i disagree with that.