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But they treat their own people very similarly! Their mentality / value system is, in my opinion, the main factor.

Agree. The current government we have is a hugh problem.

I think this is has to do with where they are found within the Healthy-Unhealthy spectrum of their stage.

@PurpleTree which will probably change their state but not their stage and their relation to another women

But we left gaza state in 2005 fully to hamas. Dont you think they have to take responsibility of this area and their citizens?

*samaria English is much more difficult to write right than to listen apparently.

@Leo Gura good question I am also struggling with. People say its because all the troops were in judea and sammaria but its really a hard question will be asked months to come.

Speaking in the official TV channels here about ~1000 who crossed the board and start shooting Israeli civilians.

Thank you for sharing this. This is purely ISIS just with another name. Very difficult to watch.

Right. They are also spread on many stages of development as you said and i agree with this. But hamas do want.

@PurpleTree The far right-wing is indeed not share my values and represents merely 10% of the Israelis.

Sorry if I am not seems to talk calmly about the broad more conscious picture in this thread (as I always try to see in another areas) but as an Israeli I feel I have to battle a bias of fake symmetry I see here a lot between allegedly two sides of the same coin which is not the case in reality.

True. both sides are to blame in the big dymanics of the events, but there is one side who wants to eliminate the other, and one side who wants to live peacefuly. This is not to say that Israel doesnt make mistakes and doesnt have a long way to keep developing, but please, there is no place of comparison between Israel stage of development and this of hamas.

I think you are right but lets not fall into a "neutrality" or "symmetry" trap here, because the value systems of both sides are utterly different.

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Exactly. They are tribalistic in their mentality and in the unhealthy version of it. We are organized society and totally different.

For 20% of them (and hamas between them) this is really true.

@Nabd This is more complex than that. The left-center opposition wants to negotiate and strenghten the moderate side within the palestinians but Netanyahu wants hamas to stay strong becasue it serves him. Very frustrating.

The opinions and responses I hear from Israelis are highly divergent. Everyone is taking it in another way. Yes, there are many fearful and angry (I dont blame them. This is traumatic) who wants to response harshly on gaza. But there also many Israeli people who just looking to help in any way they can. Many valuntirs to blood donation, or another kind of help to all who get injured and alive.

Right. This is an unhealthy stage red gang against stage blue-orange (and locally above) military.

Exactly. Hamas is a pure blood thirsty gang who wants to conquer Israel in one peace. No negotiation can be done with this ISIS-like mentality organisation.

Indeed very traumatic. More than 100 Innocent civilians are being killed and 50-100 are being kidnapped. Old woman in her own home who was forced by hamas people to take selfie and then kidnapped. Its a completely non-symetric war.

I agree with you. The problem is very complex, and the current government is the least responsible we had so far. They are thinking in a very childish manner. But in the other hand, I am very optimistic now that the world can see better than ever, how brutalic is hamas and how zero semtiments to human life he has. The videos hamas publishes are extremely difficult to watch. Israeli children, old woman, young woman with small children are kidnapped to gaza with guns over their heads. I saw an astounishingly difficult video of an Israeli ~8 y.o boy ALONE in gaza being tourmented by palestinian children who are laughing at him and its been encouraged by hamas people. Who knows if he will live for the next few weeks. Of course childs tend to be cruel sometimes no matter their ethnicity, but this is heartbreaking to any Israeli to watch.

What you did is great if it right for you at any moment. Nice to hear you found a reliefe. Spirituality can be many things. For me, thinking newly and respectfuly investigate the symptoms was helpful and a game changer.

Yes. Seeing your emotion and thoughts as an illness is indeed self deception.