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@DocWatts As long as Israel exists it is the occupier and the brutal in your eyes. Thats the root of the argument. I'm done playing this game of symmetry. There is one side wants to deffend itself and other side who slaugther civilians purposely and then connect itself with super glue to civilians to not being killed and Israel hands are bounded. Israel has to do trust building steps and mainly stop settlements expansion and thats it. All the rest - background noise and excuses to justify the root that as long as Israel exists it will be the occupier in your eyes 🙂

Israel exists? Thats enough. Israel is, for them, the occupier of the arab world. That is the root of the argument. Everthing else - excuses and backward rationalisations. I gave up trying to argue with them with logical tools. The prefrontal cortex cannot solve the ancient brain's problems. For that they will have to give up their ego and recognize the validity of Israel's passions and fears too, and above all to recognize the root of the problem of the palestinians - their own self tyranni. To face their problem head on and not to project it onto Israel all the time.

@LSD-Rumi A channel which does an ambush to a mother whos children has kidnapped bringing surprisingly a hamas person to the interview forcing her to say nasty things about her country hoping her fear will make her say this is the lowest thing ever you can expect a tv channel to do. That kind of channel cannot be unbiased.

"Just two sides of the same coin" toxic relativism thinking is tier 1! When thinking how to heal the Gazaian from the cult they are in for decades which leave them misserable with no future (long before this war...), we cannot keep the absurd claim of symmetry between the two sides. No. There is one side who educate his citizens to killing in the aim of killing (not because of Israel. The Palestinians kill and torture each other very well by themselves), and there is another side who doesnt look for wars but its deffense doctrine has failed in oct 7th. This group you linked to is fine. No problem with this but won't solve the problem although its a good thing we want to encourage.

And this toxic extreme relativism ("just two sides of the same coin") end up serving only the less developed and in our case also less healthy side.

They are brutal to their own people too. If it wasn't Israel, they for sure would fight each other all day long. This is their operating system anyway.

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This is naiveness because hamas uses many neighborhoods as fortifications to the day IDF will come. This is absolutely critical for them to survive (along with assimilaing behind civilian purposely) because they know IDF is stronger. If you think some part of that is a collecitve punishment you will have to explain why you think that and then we can discuss if it does make sense. Right because Judaism is not like a physical quality as you say. This is much more than this. Judaism is a common character of a large group of people which expresses their unique values that very significantly goes against the values of the nations surrounding. A Jew majority is critical in order to deffent our country character and values.

I understand, so Israel is the occupier from the very reason it exists. And so every other country in the world which its establishment was on the account of the nearby country which means all countries.

To destroy entire neigborhoods AFTER their citizens were asked to leave 20 times with variety of means no other country in the world did it in the past. Like Isis has disappeared by itself after US left Iraq.

So you are saying that we control any state we have border with, according to your logic.

It depends on to where you take tham. They are meaningful operating systems rooted in valid truths but on the screen show many false images. Secularism is also a religion. If you want to get rid of religion you will have to encourage the people to upgrade it. If you get rid of X religion you will get another new religions built from its fragrances.

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I didn't see here anything apart of someone says this. Al Jazeera forced an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped to say bad things about Israel in the interview when they brought a hamas person to air and did her an ambush. Al jazeera combined maipulatively a picture of an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped as was a Gazaian citizen overwhelmed by the davastation there. I cannot trust them at all. People in Israel complain all the time how humane the conditions terrorists get in prisons so much so they can even do a degree.

So what is your seggestion to prevent another 7.10? Sounds logic but thats how the brain works to prefer your tribe this is a deep wiring, Agree. The problem is broader. We left gaza in 2005 providing them every day basic needs they can't provide because they don't have maritime and air ways for good reasons. Israel let its prisoner humane conditions and even the ability to do a degree. This fake symmery is absurd. There is a night and day difference. What a convincing slogan. Muslims and Christians have 100 countries. Jews have one ethno state and need it to keep deffend their values. The second part is utterly absurd. More than 90% I agree. They are in their 20's and risking their lives but it won't convince you because you are emotionally against them anyway. You are totally wrong here.

@jaylimix What being Imaged is the simplisticity of things becuase our mind does superhighway shortcuts and what we see are schemes of reality that are partially or mostly false. The more you develop yourself the more you see the complexity and those schemes dissolve and upgrade themselves. To say that everything is equally imaginary is a simplification I don't agree with.

Maybe but I think they needed the hostages alive to survive because otherwise they would have 100% been eliminated. Now they have at least a chance to make a deal to save themselves and their hold on Gaza. Also some of the hostages were murdered.

This is engineered by hamas:

Let alone the fact that many of these soldiers are around age 20 and slightly above. They are half-kids.

Do you mean that you see them as less evil now? I think they didn't hold the hostages alive because of humane reasons (maybe in the micro level, every terrorist can be re-shaped if got to know the other side closely as was with the kidnappers I want to believe it) and after the horrific things they did that are way more than "just" to kill, I really don't want to think about them in any other, way at least not in the macro level, apart of an Isis like organization.

Violent murdering indoctrination vs non-violent metaphorical scheme kids learn in Torah lessons in 2nd grade when god talked to Abraham. Wow. I can't stop staring this art of symmetry.

@bebotalk But don't you think palestinians are much more wrong from the fact they educate their children to hate, jihad and killing others?

+1 ❤ The fake symmery and the myth of "just two sides of the same coin" (so romantic) must be stopped because it only gives a price and an advantage position to the less developed side, and as we have seen again only 2 days ago in Tulkarem, not in the very healthy zone of the spectrum.

@Parallax Mind Exactly. Toxic neutrality and toxic extreme relativism eventually serves the less developed side in this case the Palestinians. The situation is not symmetric at all, but it doesn't release Israel from responsibility to do trust building steps.

@bebotalk This is wrong. You are invited to visit Tulkarem and if you will be able to stay alive there you can visit the electric poll on which two palestinians were hanged two days ago after been suspected for cooperation with Israel while all the crowd shout and cheer in glee in front of them. There are NO two equal sides here. This is NOT "just two sides of the same coin." Israelis have western values and western culture at the same development level as US and part of Europe (except northern Europe). Palestinians have mainly red to blue culture and probably on the less healthy side on the spectrum. Yes Israel has the responsibility to do necessary steps on its side to help promote peace with the Palestinians while the Palestinians have to stop being serial peace refusals.