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@PurpleTree Most likely the only way to free the kidnapped children, womem, babies and elderly from hamas is to invade gaza and put pressure on hamas. The negotiation way has already been tried and hamas put all of us in a psychological torture. hasn't work. Long term the western world will respect Israel only if Israel will respect itself. Its hypocrisy will get even more severe if we quit now.

And also the western world can at the same time see how bigger is the muslim world compared to Israel, but it chooses to filter out this perspective. But still, today the world understands us much better than it did before 9/11 and before the terror in Europe, and this will improve more in the future, so I choose to look at the full half of the glass.

New Zealand's and Norway's fault.

1954 BEFORE any occupation. BEFORE any policy. Brutal terror attack on Israeli citizens in massada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'ale_Akrabim_massacre The terrorists came from JORDAN. an independent coutry. What we did wrong? What did Israeil did wrong? shame on israel. If there was couple of buses with 1200 citizens, so they could kill 1200 citizens even then.

You are right, hezbollah could do the same tragedy to Israelis citizens as hamas did, but now we can prevent it from happening if we eliminate their force in south lebanon near our border.

I start to think that maybe the western world is expecting Israel to be similar to them (to the weatern world) because we are in the same camp as the western world (in term of development) and thats why the world is dissapointed when it sees Israel doing things that seems from distance as less moral, and respond to Israel in that way. Maybe its a bit naive to think this is only for that reason but I think this is at least a significant part of the reason the world shouts so easily on Israel. You shout only to whom you have expectations from.

Maybe they are jealous.

@zazen Israel left gaza and provided them food, water, medicine etc every day, because they dont have port and airport. Their missery is because of hamas. But you (not you specifically but everyone who is not by Israel's side) won't want to think that way, so you will find any acrobat movement to twist this upside down therefore the discussion is pointless as Gennadie said.

@zazen Terror: Exploiting a good thing from something/someone and using it against him. hamas do that. And of course the deliberate harm to civilians. Also only hamas.

Without emotion you loose touch with reality. If you think you can judge well this situation from distance you are deluding yourself. Much better approach is to study well the perspective of both sides including their videos, interviews, expressions, emotions, etc. Emotions are intelligent signs created from your subconscious which is a super computer whereas your conscious logic can only see a sliver of reality every time (few elements a second vs thousands in the subconscious).

You are free to think whatever you want. It is easy to judge when you dont have to deal with the most cynical, manipulative, shamelss and brutal terror organization on earth.

No. I do believe that hamas must be eliminated if we want to even think about piece, but we have to do it according the rules of war, what I'm pretty sure Israel does the best it can. @Jodistrict Israel these says is being supported more than ever, and this will improve more in the future. Lies tend to be exposed even if this is slow. I trust evolution. You dont know how much Israel was the black sheep at the beggining of 2000's. So i'm optimistic 🙂 About the controller of the world that you mention in the start this is a shallow conspiracy in my opinion.

But Israelis have deep insights that Jews abroad have not. You can't know who's perspective is "better".

Due to their stage on the spiral.

Tell me more about the "symmetry" between Israelis and Palestinians. "Palestinians can go freely to the Israeli side, but if Israelis go to the other side they will die." A canadian journalist about her visit in Israel (2014). https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy-vLBOta1P/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

@Karmadhi I understand you. He is an extremist like Ben Gvir and Betzal'el 😶‍🌫️ But hamas are nazis. These extremist politicians are underdeveloped but still not to the same extent. They wouldnt kill in their own hands.

Something that probably would never be happen without invasion. Great to hear. A sliver of light in the darkness.

hamas tries now to show a video of 3 freed kidnappeds to play its toxic psychological manipulation. Good for Israel that didn't fall to this trap and didn't broadcasted this. Also good to know that helicopters are flying all the time above the israelis soldiers in gaza to guard them against terorrist.Israel do it very slowely and carefully and this is good.

Colonization - where do you think Israelis should not live? Loss of lands - What in your opinion the Jews should do differently in Israel establishment in 1948? Nakba - This is a big word. Please break it down. Uncountable number of massacres - you will have to break it down too. Bombing civilians - Do you agree on the statement that Israel really try to target only terroriats and that the terrorists use civilians as human shield all the time? Apharteid - How is this gets along with the fact that we have Arab doctors in israel, Arab judges in Israel, Arab journalists, Arab scientists, Arab knesset members...?

@Tobia I am also dont like the idea of Isolated settlements. Do you think Israelis should not live in the west bank at all?

Please give some examples that disturb you the most.

@Merkabah Star I really think you are confused becaused I used this word in this thread only one time and it was yesterday.

No i didn't lol. Who are you? Nice to meet.

Don't take it personally. Maybe I was wrong. I donk know you. I am taking it back. It is very hard to deal with injustice Israel is going through now and I feel part of that.

Trigger warning. Very hard to listen. Only If you want to understand the full brutality of hamas 🕸🌋🦇🏰 listen to this. The video in the link below. Think carefully if you want that. And if you are sure then open it. Peace isn't possible without defeating hamas first. 1 2 3 4 5 https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy-6_hLtmNu/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==