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The problem is that 240 of our citizens (among them children and elderly) are now hostages by hamas and their physical and psychological nightmare (with all the respect to the gazaian hard situation) is ×100 more horrific. Every day that passes, their conditions are getting worse. Thats why Israel has a great time limit to put this physical pressure on hamas as fast as possible. The diplomatic ways alone have already been tried and failed.

Exactly.

@zazen But this guy represents barely a handful of % if not a fraction.

They can't survive without 20-30% support at least. For example, all the protests in Israel last year were because the citizens were afraid Netanyahu will change the regime to escape his trial. In a country like Israel didcatorship is not possible as long as the values composition throughout the society will stay western-like.

Leadership reflects a big chunck of the population.

@zazen just a clown from a tiny radical party.

"There is a silent agreement (in the Arab world) that Israel should go in there and eliminate hamas". https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzK8EiRtl3s/?igshid=MjN3MWcwc3I5YWg0

Do you think Israel targets civilians intentionally? As someone who live here from birth, know Israelis mentality and values and given Israel's careful strategy in previous operations (what you can't see in any other military in the world) i think it is highly unlikely.

@Emerald Ok sounds fair to me and I understand you. The right wing here is problematic in many ways mostly in the expansion of the settlements. About ousting people from the place they were live in can you explain more specifically what do you mean? What cases has disturbed you the most? And about the power imbalance?

Its not that you don't have part of the picture right, but I think it is easy to fall into one extreme. Both sides are intertwined in a very complicated dynamic. Israel left gaza in 2005 giving the keys fully to the palestinians to do everything that they want. Actually, thats what made hamas to take over gaza in 2007. Before 2005, when Israel sitted in gaza, the palestinian authority was in control in gaza and they were surely more moderate than hamas. Yes, the settlements expansion are a problem that make the palestinians be more extreme against Israel. But on the other hand, Israel wants part of jerusalem for very good reasons and also some villages around jerusalem (not be in enclave) so *part* of the occupation of the west bank is jistified. The arab world invade to Israel trying to kill us all even in 1948.

After 1200 murdered and 240 hostages who suffer right now in nightmare which is maybe and most likely 100 times more of any gazaian (not to cancel gazaian's situation but the world anyway talk almost only about them) so yes, I dont really think Israel has another option right now but to put the higher pressure possible on hamas. Do you mean that maybe what happens affect the sides in both ways? Disturb the relationships but also help too? See, I am not sure the palestinian authority cares too much of what happen in gaza but I am not an expert so dont really know what it does. The problem is that I really think that peace with red-blue culture won't be possible without also talk their language, and build a character they will respect, what almost anybody here not emphasize enough.

Yes I also don't like the expansion of the settlements. Its a problem. But to evacuate thousand of settlers is the extreme opposite and will show us as weak. What also have been proved to increase the terror. To stop the expansion, even to declare it officialy, but to still stay there with soldiers in the west bank, the settlements just where they are, and to keep the security co-operation with the palestinian authority, seems like the smartest strategy for now.

Do you mean here to the settlements in the west bank?

@Raze Actually the soldier who shot him was lying on the ground while did that which means most likely felt a real threat. That "stone" could be a grenade BTW Most of the world-wide comments support Israel there. Why to provoke in such a way to begin with? Personally I think the better way is to shoot on his legs. But I'm not an expert. Maybe they know something I dont. I dont like this video and I am not deny there are problems sometimes even in a (relatively to the rest) quite high morality army. But the problem is that those who are against Israel to begin with, will see every such video as if I would watch TV through a telescope. They cant be convinced because the complex picture doesnt matter to them. They have already chose a side and the only way to change their mind is if they themselves will want their mind to be changed.

@Raze There were hamas terrorists in the ambulance from what I understood and heard. Thats their all game 😅 This is a psychological war - their #2 function as a terror organization. For them this is like breathing. What else do you think they do? This things! Thay are busy all day long in this. They NEED it to their survival. To put international pressure on Israel. The west must do a switch in how he looks and grasps the game board.

Insult? Zionism is just a mental frame. Visit here and you will see that our society is not less "western" and developed than yours.

We can argue technically about torture, but the massacre of children in 7.10 is a fact.

Israel's society at its best 🍎🥑🥭📦📝 Every 1 out of 2 Israelis - 50% - go to volunteer these days! One the most pupular help here is agriculture in the Israeli villages near gasa strip that have lost its workers after october 7th. And also many more kinds of valunteering works. Just everyone try to help. I try to metiate it with some pictures/videos just to get the feeling of whats going on. VID-20231104-WA0007(2).mp4

👍 exactly they take it for granted. Seems to me like they are subconsciosely want to feel again the harm/rougness from the previous stages to grow themsleves and appreciate democracy again from new, by their own life lessons (and not from a golden spoon putted in their mouth as they have been grown). And thats why they crave so much to support the violent/animalistic side.

I dont want to think what our 240 hostages are going through right now, who are in another dimension of internal terror every single moment, 100 times more than the gazaian (what justifies even more the invasion to begin with) but the hypocrite world doesn't care so much about that apparently.

They are great! They know better than most of the UK citizens who have probably too much democracy so they start to crave the roughness from early stages, which they can find in the palestinians, what makes them support them more. An insight from now.

Thats exactly what IDF did.

What hurts me is that the discussion here blames Israel automatically without doing any little effort to check if there is at all another realistic way to eliminate hamas without causing the amount of casualties we have seen. Because maybe really there is no other way to do that and people here fall prey to what hamas most wanted them to in his propaganda.

Is he from West Bank or Gaza? I wish we would see more like him.

When cannot handle the complexity of the situation, our brain must pave a shortcut and just blame one side very strongly and make absurd claims about him in order to feel calm again.