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1. Leo you said that oppression is only relative to one's identity and that there is no such a thing as oppression in the absolute sense. But what about the slaves themselves? Can it be that they don't feel oppressed, Or at least most or part of them don't feel it? It seems to me that in the physcial sense they must feel oppressed anyway. 2. You said that whats "wrong" is only a reault of culture and education. But relatively speaking, as we raised our consciousness, we started to see that slavery is more wrong than not-slavery. Means - its not that it is equal - and slavery and not-slavery are right/wrong equally, its our upgraded Consciousness that chose a side and eventually chose to reduce and eliminate slavery. Because we became more aware and our sense of self expanded to the slaves. Slave owners didn't see that their slaves were suffering? Or they did see but didnt care?

But when you stand aside a man (a slave) that have 99.99% anatomy just like you, how can you not reflect his physical pain onto yourself? It supposed to be instinctive trough your mirror neurons. It seems to me that its more complex than this, and that even 2000 years ago, slave owners, as a minority (in analogy to nowadays - slaghter house workers) kept their thing far from other people eyes, so most of the population didnt see it, but if they saw it, at least a decent part of the population wouldn't support it. Like today - most people won't support slaughterhouse if they see it in their eyes. Why that it will not be the same in the slavery issue 2000 years ago?

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Its not yellow because its about engineering the crowd thinking. Super corrapt red/blue mentality. yellow would never do it. One yellow book I think is really good is "The subtle art of not giving a fuck" by Mark Manson. Also I think a lot of books from Leo's list, and NLP books as well.

@soos_mite_ah As I see it, if you do active things like reading many books, learning about yellow attitude, meditate etc you can reach at most 25-33% of yellow. The rest 2/3 or 3/4 (66-75%) is going to be only from passive yellow development, which is the most natural and authentic one, that occures as a natural result of satisfacting the more basic needs from orange and green and exhausting them. Only then your mind will be really free to think about the next step and be grounded in more 'being' state. That is the more subconscious kind of development but the core of it.

"5Meo says your physical body doesn't matter" "God says another races physical body doesn't matter"

??? Also, everyone has his dark nights and the backward rationalization that some people here do into thinking that everything they hear is (at the end of the day...) perfectly right no matter what is oversimplification and absurd. Leo's perspective even with his great achivements and wisdom is still limited. like all of us.

Maybe YOU want to think that and you corrapt 5Meo into your paradigm. Remind you that you can take 5Meo and still be stage blue thinker if you states rigid "facts" like this.

I disagree. The fact that Leo is more conscious than 99.9% of this forum, doesn't mean all concerns about him are "projection". They are not. Part of the concerns are fully legitimate and valid.

COME ON. think for yourself.

@louhad Wow thats great. Thank you very much you helps a lot! I will start to make conversations like this.

Could you tell what you did? I'm interested to know because me myself struggle with this issue and want to influence people. Thats an interesting point!

But even if He will be more smooth in his attitude. How it will make our society go greener faster than what green will do? Maybe we NEED conflicts to make our society grow up in the tough ways and yellow's bridging tries will just hinder us?

Assuming absolute truth is not communicable. When we speak about the relative trute in society and politics: What is more true than green? For example: Equal humen rights. What can be "more" true than that? Equal rights only to 98%? gay rights only 99% as straights? I mean, it feels to me that green is a hugh leap above orange, but above green there can be only cosmetic improvements and thats it (in society and politics!) At least today, yellow have almost nothing to offer in politics. maybe in the future when green becomes dominant - we will need yellow. but today, green is still the tiny guy in town, therefore we need only more and more of green by now and the more is the better. Yellow in politics today seems to me almost useless because even the yellow guy will say that today the system needs more green, and after that we talk.

@SageModeAustin Ok great. Also reconnect to nature to heal your brain thats my project this year. Regular sunlight exposure, walking outside, walk in nature, eating at least 7-9 organic vegetables and fruits. Next month I'll start 80-90% of 801010 diet. I read people say it saved their life from severe mental illnesses and physical too. Coming back to nature is a must do to heal our brain that has been damaged from the modern lifestyle and the results are ocd, anxiety disorders, depression etc. Of course do your own journy, I just put it here. Good luck and update!

Can you commit yourself to 15-20 minutes of mindfulness EVERY day? My psychiatrist ask me do to that daily and it kind of saved me. You don't have to sit down. you can do it as you walk with cup of tea and eyes opened. I don't like to sit when I practice it is anoying to me so I just walk and observe thoughs. What medication you take and what dose? What was the previous medication you have taken and how long have been you taking medications so far? Did you see the video "How to meditate deeper"? And "Do Nothing" method?

@SageModeAustin 1. What is your diet? 2. Do you practice any kind of mindfulness/meditation daily? 3. Do you take Antidepressants?

Do you want to upgrade it?

Ok now I understand. its actually imprinting the way of thinking (and neurological patterns) into students minds through education rather than just tell a story.

Lets say we have two persons - one is (mainly) blue and one is green. On average, their values of the both are a result of their family, environment and education, and were given to them with a spoon directly to their mouth. So, Why that the green one will be superior cognetively? He is not. He has not built by himself any more complex neurological pathways because of his values, he was not sweating more, he just has given its values as a content or as a story. Yes, in both sides there are people who are more autodidact and may have superiority in cognition because they develop their brain by themselves, but than can happen pretty equally (statistically) with the both colors, so this parameter offsets itself.

? Yes developed is more accurate you are right

@Leo Gura but if I grew in a realively green city and family, and cause of this - I'm very green. How does it makes me more neurologically sophisticated than blue? I didnt developed my brain flexibilty independently more than blue had. I just absorb a story (content) of flexible values, but didnt necessarily developed structural flexibility And if I did, how?

How was your awakening experience, and What did you think at those moments? If you can share even only it - great. If you remember more, the question is - What were the levels of realization that built what you think today? For example: 1.Last year I firstly felt in my direct experience that I have no control of my thinking and for me it was kind of basic or newbie form of awakening. 2. After three months I had an additional realization that when I try to accept my feeling, I'm still not fully accept because of the trying Itself (awakening 1.1.2). 3. ... 4. ... 5. And thats why I realized we are god (Me personally not there yet. Also maybe it happened to you only in stage 11. it just an example). Why is it important? The vast majority of awakening shares mention almost only the end point of the process ("I realized I am god") and because of that, it is very difficult and not much helpful for people to be motivated because its all high above their head. I feel that I really want to know if other people also realized what I realized, because it will strength the validity (sense of realness) of what I felt and may encourage me. Thats MY personal motivation for this thread. But maybe it will be helpful to you too for another reasons. If people will share all the tiers of their awakening process, we gonna have a spiritual MAP that can be super helfull to people to know approximately were they are. Of course, NOT to replace inner work, but to strength people in the process, motivate them, make them feel less alone, make their realizations feel more real to them (because other people realized it too) etc. But one important rule for this thread - Not psychedelics triggered awakenings. Only awakening that were spontaneous or during spiritual exercises. Why? Because Psychedelics moves you directly from A to F, and the whole point of this thread is to make ourselves see also the B, C and E.

Is oat also genetically modified worldwidely (like wheat for example) or it is usually free from that?

@King Merk thanks!